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Why the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats

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An outdated safety law may have cost hundreds of lives.

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Ever since the Titanic sank on April 15, 1912, a major suspected culprit for the high death toll has been that there weren’t enough lifeboats on board. It’s a decision that's been dramatized as hubris on the part of the White Star Line - but the ship actually surpassed safety standards for the time.

The Merchant Shipping Act of 1894 required the largest-class ships, those weighing over 10,000 tons, to carry at least 16 lifeboats. Even though the Titanic, which launched in 1911, weighed 45,000 tons, that minimum was the same. The Titanic carried 20 lifeboats, with a capacity for roughly half of the people on board the night the ship sank.

Until the Titanic disaster, lifeboats weren’t seen as a substitute for an entire ship. The giant liner itself, which featured 16 compartments separated by watertight bulkheads, was supposed to stay afloat even after taking on water. Then, using a brand new piece of technology - the Marconi wireless telegraph - signal for help from a nearby ship, using lifeboats to methodically ferry passengers off the sinking ship.

This scenario played out perfectly just a couple years before the Titanic disaster, when a ship accidentally rammed RMS Republic in 1909. The Republic sank, but nearly everyone on board was safely ferried off. The prevailing thought at the time was that disasters at sea had become a thing of the past.

When the Titanic went down, that all changed. Just two years later, the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) mandated all passenger ships carry lifeboats for everyone on board. Today, the SOLAS requirement is 125% of a ship’s capacity.

Further reading:
Check out Sam Halpern’s work analyzing the permissible flooding conditions on the Titanic:
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Vox
Vox ヶ月 前
If you want to really get into the nitty gritty of the construction and design of the Titanic and other giant ocean liners, check out www.youtube.com/@OceanlinerDesigns - it’s a great channel with a bunch of interesting stories. Thanks for watching. -Coleman
Anne Woodward
Anne Woodward ヶ月 前
Every one knows it was just a great Movie. There was never a real Titanic of course.
L C
L C ヶ月 前
Great shoutout! Oceanliner Designs is a great channel!
jj
jj ヶ月 前
@Sharptooth Trex it didn't need 100 lifeboats, it just needed enough
Sharptooth Trex
Sharptooth Trex ヶ月 前
Even if the Titanic had 100 or even 300 lifeboats might save many more people in distress.
Skarbie Well
Skarbie Well ヶ月 前
Vox on June 1, 1911, the Irish News and Belfast Morning News contained a report on the launching of Titanic’s hull. The article described the system of watertight compartments and electronic watertight doors and concluded that Titanic was practically unsinkable, also in 1911, Shipbuilder magazine published an article on the White Star Line’s sister ships Titanic and Olympic. The article described the construction of the ship and concluded that Titanic was practically unsinkable. the Titanic Commutator unearthed a White Star promotional flyer for the Olympic and Titanic that claimed "as far as it is possible to do, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable.".... it was not the selling point, or the biggest advertisement, but it seems it has been mentioned.
Random Repairs
Random Repairs ヶ月 前
It's worth mentioning that the RMS Carpathia was much further out than other ships, and logically they might not have even found survivors. Still, despite having almost no chance of doing so, they pushed their own ship faster than it was rated to go (this can ruin the engine and leave you dead in the water) and found many survivors. They passed out blankets and coffee, and offered support. It's a heroic tale by normal people just doing what they thought was right.
Napoleon
Napoleon 6 日 前
Yes they managed to reach about 17 knots well beyond the ships usual top speed of 12
Museme Me
Museme Me ヶ月 前
​@Fluppi how did they finally know it was sinking
Fluppi
Fluppi ヶ月 前
not really true. They were the second closest ship yes but they were definitely expecting survivors. In fact they were expecting to find the crippled ship in a bad state. There is no way of knowing how fast ships sink. If they capsize within an hour maybe. If they stay upright then possibly for multiple hours or even days. They knew the Titanic was very safe so they didn't think it would be gone. heroic yes but all within reason. They did expect survivors and logically they could be expected to find survivors. If you want to look at a ship that had no hope to help then Frankfurt is probably a good one. It took them 11h or so and they made the old ship run faster than it ever had with little chance to help.
Banerjee Home
Banerjee Home ヶ月 前
😊
The Socialist Lion
The Socialist Lion ヶ月 前
Another addition to be made, Life boats were never guaranteed to be safe before 1912. When Titanic sank, the waters were perfectly calm, but this is usually not the case. Those lifeboats were commonly lost in other ship wrecks (For example, the Atlantic in the 1870s). Aside from ferrying, they were essentially added as a hail mary, incase everything went wrong and you were possibly close enough to land to row to shore. P.S. Its weird seeing this topic being discussed in the main stream while NOT being handled poorly. Nicely done, Vox.
Kenneth VanOosten
Kenneth VanOosten ヶ月 前
@Goon Hee Its also important to note that Lusitania's watertight compartments were longitudinal, which allowed sea water to collect on the starboard side of the ship when it was breach by the torpedo, which quickened her list to starboard and left the portside lifeboats at far too high of an angle to be launched and made loading and launching the lifeboats on the starboard side treacherous at best (not to mention the power went out minutes after being breached, plunging the interior of the ship into darkness and trapping people inside the ships elevators and corridors). Meanwhile Titanic's watertight compartments were horizontal and evenly filled up from front to back, keeping the ship from listing and allowing most of boats to be safely filled and launched. Another ship that had longitudinal compartments and sunk with a terrible loss of life was the RMS Empriess of Ireland which sank in 1914 after being struck by another ship while sailing out of the St. Lawrence river in the fog at night. The ship sank within minutes and more than 1,000 out of the 1,400 people on board perished, with hundreds of passengers below deck drowning while still asleep in their cabins (it also didn't help that the watertight doors had to be closed individually at the doors themselves, while the doors on Titanic could be automatically closed from a switchboard on the bridge). Its because of disasters like these that ships are no longer built with longitudinal compartments or a bow that protrudes out below the waterline.
Jack Wein
Jack Wein ヶ月 前
Handled poorly in 1912….. the sinking of the RMS Titanic is why the lifeboat count is higher today
iRacing Rookie
iRacing Rookie ヶ月 前
Then how to Shackleton’s crew survive? They crossed one of the most inhospitable areas of ocean on earth in a lifeboat
repliesgpt . com
repliesgpt . com ヶ月 前
Great job 👍! Never dreamed this discussion would actually make slots in social media timelines. 🤔 ~ repliesGPT ~
Adrian Ghandtchi
Adrian Ghandtchi ヶ月 前
@Bob Custer well not fully but it certainly did it help it either.
Haidar Amri
Haidar Amri ヶ月 前
The irony is that the ship is sinking because it barely hits the iceberg , so it's scrapped the ship on 5 compartments. If the ship hits the iceberg head on even with all of its momentum, then it may just destroy 1 or 2 compartments before its stop.
Aaron Timm
Aaron Timm 20 日 前
​@Connor Limes ok
ForeverSweetx3
ForeverSweetx3 23 日 前
But no one would think that is a good idea. Standard practice would be to try and get away from the iceberg.
Christian
Christian ヶ月 前
@Connor Limes There weren't a lot of people below deck in the first couple of compartments. Those were mainly cargo holds.
Christian
Christian ヶ月 前
@SqueakSquawk4 The Inquiry asked why they didn't just run head-on into the iceberg. They even had a term for it. It was called accordioning.
Alex Zetsu
Alex Zetsu ヶ月 前
A ship has a lot of moment that would be dropped to 0 if it hit head on. Analysis showed a head on collision would likely crumple the first 3 compartments (as opposed to merely creating some holes). Think of it like an accordion. And those areas don't have air, there are passengers in there. Trying to avoid the iceberg made sense. It just didn't work.
Nicholas Hext
Nicholas Hext ヶ月 前
It's worth noting that shipping lanes in April 1912 were quieter than usual because many sailings had been cancelled due to a coal strike. Many companies had their smaller liners remain in berth so their prestige ship could keep sailing. Some passengers, like the Hart family, had received tickets for Titanic as compensation for their original passage being cancelled. Under normal circumstances there would likely have been ships much closer and able to render assistance in time.
Hugo S
Hugo S ヶ月 前
@Nicholas Hext i really don't believe Titanic's maiden voyage was already scheduled in september 1911, when the Hawke collision happened. The schedule delay you're talking about is when Olympic threw a propeller blade in February 1912, which meant Titanic had to be taken out of dry dock and Olympic put in her place to repair the damage.
Strangely Ukrainian
Strangely Ukrainian ヶ月 前
@Brad Sanders It’s actually because the radios at the time had no volume control, so when the radio message was sent, it was dependent on the proximity to the receiver, and it was so loud that the Titanic operator allegedly had to borderline throw the headset off his head. Being annoyed, he missed the part where the California said they had stopped in an ice patch. It didn’t really have anything to do with trying to make it to New York ahead of schedule, they didn’t know the ice bergs were on the route, they didn’t know why the California stopped, and the California didn’t check in with the titanic until after they were nearly completely sunk, they had ignored the distress rockets, and the California’s captain kept changing his story about what he thought the rockets were.
Brad Sanders
Brad Sanders ヶ月 前
@Yacob back then incredibly common. The 1st transatlantic flight ever wasnt until 1919. Hence the reason lifeboats only had to hold a third of the passengers. They stuck to pretty strict shipping lanes. They weren't just out there all willy nilly going where ever the wind blew. The problem was it was late at night and all the ships near them had called it a night because they didn't see any value in going to the bottom of the Atlantic. The titanic told the closest ship to them which was visible to "shut up" when they tried to warn the titanic and I believe this was at 1240. So that dude called it a night as the rest of everyone that wasn't headed to the bottom did that night.
Brad Sanders
Brad Sanders ヶ月 前
There was ships close enough. The California was close enough to see. The problem was the captain and the suits at white star wanted to be in New York on time if not early so when they were warned by the California to stop or proceed with extreme caution titanic replied "shut up, I'm busy". So with that and the fact they were stopped for the night the radio operator killed the radio and went to bed.
Yacob
Yacob ヶ月 前
I'm curious, how common would it be to sail past other ships in the middle of the ocean?
Tarun Kumar
Tarun Kumar ヶ月 前
The sister-ship RMS Olympic, while not as famous as Titanic, had pretty interesting life of its own: during WW1, it served as a transport for troops and sunk a U-boat by freaking ramming into it head-on, and it also had two collisions of its own in 1911 and 1934. It would enjoy great popularity on the transatlantic route, earning the nickname 'The Ship Magnificent'/'The Old Reliable'. Edit: I did a bit of Wikipedia browsing, and yeah it was known as the "Old Reliable" as people mention in the comments below, although I did find another Wikipedia article which mention "the Ship Magnificent" too.
laughingvampire
laughingvampire ヶ月 前
it is interesting how the Titanic sank and the Olympic remain, from a Greek Mythological point of view the Olympians defeated the Titans, it was almost like the Titanic was doomed to sink by the name.
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
another cool fact is in its last years the grand staircase was painted green
pelley 4560
pelley 4560 ヶ月 前
the ship magnificent term was used by White Star
Gokul Gopan
Gokul Gopan ヶ月 前
@Lucas O'heyze Olympic is Olympic, Titanic is Titanic. If you really believe it was switched, can you explain how it was switched? I mean what components were interchanged or how it was switched in detail?
a
a ヶ月 前
As a Titanic enthusiast who loves to study about the Olympic class, this is legit some of the few actually decently researched videos about the Titanic. Nice job. Although you forgot to tell how people felt about lifeboats prior to the Titanic disaster
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
it was mostly believed that there would always be a ship close enough to save people if a ship sank of course this would be proven false
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
he also forgot to mention that there’s no way California could’ve reached titanic even if they knew she was sinking
Nikhil Sajwan
Nikhil Sajwan ヶ月 前
@a gives whole new meaning to women and children only
Robbie👾
Robbie👾 ヶ月 前
@Kenneth VanOosten wow. that is appalling. my heart goes out to everyone that passed and their families as well. but also, pics or didn't happen. sorry, jk.
Kenneth VanOosten
Kenneth VanOosten ヶ月 前
@MICHAEL You referring to Titanics sister ship the RMS Britannnic which sunk off the coast of greece after hitting a mine in 1916? Of the 30 people who died, they were all in 3 of the lifeboats that were launched without the captain giving the order to do so and they ended up getting pulled into and minced by the port side propeller blades as the ship listed to starboard.
Double D 747
Double D 747 ヶ月 前
Many passengers onboard refused to get into the lifeboats as they felt safer onboard the warm ship with the band playing and lights turned on. Going into a small wooden boat in the dark in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean was only a decision passengers made near the end when the ship was going under.
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
also a lot of people was scared of heights cause that 3 stories high and the davit would bounce up and down as the life boats lowered
Kenneth VanOosten
Kenneth VanOosten ヶ月 前
That was certainly the case for my great great uncle Spencer silverthorne, a first class passenger traveling with several friends and business partners who survived the sinking. He was reluctant to get in a lifeboat at first, but after the rest of his group climbed into lifeboat 5 and begged him to do the same he did just as they were about to lower it, a decision that saved his life. The events of that night haunted him for the rest of his life up to his death in 1964.
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
Add that to the fact that the crew did not have trust in the capacity of the lifeboats and only boarded them with little over half their capacity even with the-albeit limited number of-willing passengers waiting on the boat deck and by the time that people realized how rapidly the ship was going down (which was not easy to make out since it was a pitch black, moonless night), most of the boats had gone and refused to come back to the sinking ship in fear of its suction
Tom Marshall
Tom Marshall ヶ月 前
Missed out a HUGE detail about how a common belief at the time was lifeboats were MORE deadly than staying on a sinking ship. There had been infamous sinkings and ships stranded on rocks where passengers who entered lifeboats perished in rough seas where those who stayed onboard survived by simply waiting for rescue since the invention of the wireless telegraph. Obviously this wouldn't be applicable to those on Titanic but this was a massive contributer to why the law wasn't updated with larger ships. It was seen (incorrectly) at the time that the future of sea safety was though wireless telegraph and quick rescue rather than lifeboats.
Pavel Adamek
Pavel Adamek ヶ月 前
Why am I hearing/reading this for the first time just now. Great detail.
Larco D
Larco D ヶ月 前
They mentioned the republic. But your right about that they could have mentioned the resulting 'lifeboatphobia'.
Desmond Hawkins
Desmond Hawkins ヶ月 前
About the "CQD" message that was sent out: this was used before SOS and had the same meaning. The initials C.Q. are pronounced like the start of the French word _sécurité_ (safety), and D is for distress. SOS was adopted in 1906 but it took a little while for it to supplant CQD. SOS is simpler to send out as ... --- ... (compare to -.-. --.- -..). During the disaster, Titanic radio operator Jack Phillips initially sent CQD. Harold Bride, a junior radio operator, suggested using SOS joking that it might be their last chance to use the new code. They alternated between both while the radio was still operating. Bride survived to tell the story, while Philips died in the sinking. Check out their Wikipedia articles for more details.
is
is ヶ月 前
@James S. And it's the same backwards and upside down.
Desmond Hawkins
Desmond Hawkins ヶ月 前
@Prabhat Sourya Yes I've read that too about transmission issues. Another benefit of SOS is that its Morse code encoding is widely known, most people know the ...---... sequence even though they don't know any other letters in Morse. This is probably no longer relevant now that radio is everywhere, but for a while it served its purpose as a distress signal that was universally understood and could be sent by almost everyone - be it over telegraph or even light signals and flashing buoys.
James Bedu Graham
James Bedu Graham ヶ月 前
@James S. May God keep the souls of those People who died in 1912.
Prabhat Sourya
Prabhat Sourya ヶ月 前
@Desmond Hawkins I have read somewhere that CQD wasn't favored by wireless regulators, because a bad reception at the end of the receiver would receive a plain CQ transmission, missing out the D, which would turn a distress call into a non-distress call, potentially turning out to be fatal. On the other hand, there were no half-transmission possibilities for SOS, as the SO term had no meaning in the telegraph. Thus, a bad reception would also make the receiver realize that the ship intended to send an SOS code. This is the same reason why airlines have to triple-repeat distress callsigns, such as the disaster callsign, "Mayday-Mayday-Mayday", or the danger callsign "Pan-Pan-Pan", to avoid being confused with the regular radio communication.
Desmond Hawkins
Desmond Hawkins ヶ月 前
@CobaltRose249 Some people also find it easy to remember it as "Seek[ing] You, Distress/Drowning", but both are mnemonic devices that someone came up with later, also called backronyms. CQD was standardized by the Marconi Company for maritime use with Circular 57 in 1904: "the call to be given by ships in distress or in any way requiring assistance shall be 'C Q D'", after CQ alone had been in use with land-based telegraphs to mean "general call"/"all stations". There was no general emergency signal on land, so operators understood CQD as "All stations: distress".
Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson ヶ月 前
Every 90s/00s kid who went through a big enough Titanic phase in their preteen years to make it part of their literal identity thanks you for this video.
Eric Connor
Eric Connor ヶ月 前
I watched the film at the time but it certainly did not lead to any 'phases' it is just a film about a dying rich woman whose best memory in life is having a one night stand in a car with a homeless man. I felt sorry for her husband.
kcjdhfjfj
kcjdhfjfj ヶ月 前
i remember going through a titanic rabbithole and listening to all the radio messages that were sent
Nigel Bryant
Nigel Bryant ヶ月 前
Amen brother
Quantum Diaming
Quantum Diaming ヶ月 前
Agreed. It made me realize it's okay not to be rich and have fun with it.
Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson ヶ月 前
@Ash Mein I love this perspective so much and it’s SO true! I think the word for it is “sonder”-the realization that everyone around you leads complex and intricate lives just as much as your own. Such an important part of making history come to life is realizing these weren’t just figures in old photographs but real people with feelings and memories and relationships!!
Oceanliner Designs
Oceanliner Designs ヶ月 前
Possibly the best outlining of the reasoning behind Titanic's lifeboats I've seen in public discourse. Good job Vox!
Oceanliner Designs
Oceanliner Designs ヶ月 前
@Vox That's awesome Coleman! Cheers :)
Vox
Vox ヶ月 前
Thanks Mike! I’m a fan of your Titanic videos. Coleman
AaronShenghao
AaronShenghao ヶ月 前
Let's not forget, those are not modern lifeboats. There was a case where a ship was beached in rough sea, where women and children boarded lifeboats, only for them being smashed into pieces or overturned in the rough sea. Only men survived because the captain didn't launch more lifeboats.
Michael
Michael 23 日 前
Consider it Karma for what women have done, prioritizing themsevs (75% survived) in favor of children (only 50% made it)
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@Sam Wallace There's not one source on that, just opinions of people on mass, that can be found via searching. Not sure which part you're questioning, if it's why they didn't use the rafts or that the rafts were better, if the better is what you're questioning, then you can probably understand that easily with common sense, rather than needing to search all the opinions to confirm it. Apparently the inflatables were basically a raft design, hence why they stayed afloat after capsizing & one was found still afloat months later. Rafts at the time were made of kapok & cork, same as the life jackets. kapok is a pillow stuffing like fibre that is highly buoyant & it can be packed really tightly to give even more buoyancy. It grows natively on trees in Indonesia & that is where it was sourced from
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@AaronShenghao Life rafts of the time were actually a much better option than life boats, but they were seen as something natives in lands they had colonised used, not something the upper class would consider! The launch location on the Titanic was actually the problem too, not the life boat numbers, more boats wouldn't have changed anything
TangentUSSR
TangentUSSR ヶ月 前
@AaronShenghao I know him, his contents are fantastic
AaronShenghao
AaronShenghao ヶ月 前
I recommend Big Old Boats who covered many sinkings at the time. Including the sinking of SS Clallam which is the sinking I was talking about.
Flarelia
Flarelia ヶ月 前
5:38 - One of the big reasons why some lifeboats were put into the water not all the way full is because they could see the lights of the Californian, and thought they would just be ferrying back and forth.
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
@dep73 it doesn’t matter anyways cause there’s no way they could get its engines up and running in time to save people
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
that is completely false i have no idea where you’re getting that information because in reality the reason they was actually lowered half empty was cause people refused to get in life boats most people didn’t believe it would actually sink too most people it looked like either stay in my warm room or go out into the freezing cold and be lowered in a life boat over 3 storys of cold water while the life boats bounced up and down a bit while being lowered cause although the davits were extremely safe they did have a tendency to bounce due to them being a little bit flimsy
DurosKlav
DurosKlav ヶ月 前
@FORMAT Channel He was also a bit too much of a stickler for women and children first. He could have saved more people.
Fluppi
Fluppi ヶ月 前
I have never read that in any of the witness accounts. The main reason why they weren't full seemed to be that they were in a hurry and there simply weren't enough people there that wanted to get in. They wanted to look yes, they were cruious but they didn't want to get in. Add to that that one officer on one side took women and children first seriously by denying men entry and the other one on the other side just put in women and children first and then filled them up with whatever man was there. They had to lower them quickly and since they couldn't get them full, it was better to lower them at half capacity. They could be filled later so they thought.
FiringallCylinders
FiringallCylinders ヶ月 前
The Titanic operator also told the Californian to shut up after the Californian told them ice was spotted.
Lewis Massie
Lewis Massie ヶ月 前
Another thing, while the Titanic did sink, it took a very long time to do so. Most ships of the time would sink within 20 minutes of being struck. The compartmentalised Titanic held on for over 2 hours, which in and of itself is a triumph of the design.
Lizzie Johnson
Lizzie Johnson ヶ月 前
If most ships sank within 20 minutes, why did their first signal go out after 35 ? (If I heard correctly) just wondering as I don't know all that much about the various circumstances
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
@Me Here most ships that stuck out for 20 hours would’ve had small damage most ships wouldn’t have last 20 hours anyways most ships would’ve last more around 5+ hours with less damage that titanic
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA
MEMES FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA ヶ月 前
@Me Here so nobody knows about lusitania?
David Renton
David Renton ヶ月 前
@Me Here most ships would sink with a list, rendering 1 side of the ships lifeboats unusable, the titanic went down pretty much without a list.
221 b
221 b ヶ月 前
@Jodi J I know but the guy said ocean liners didn't sink in 20 minutes and they did, Empress being an example. You can say for any ship if x didn't happen she wouldn't have sunk.
joko tri
joko tri ヶ月 前
I never cried watching Titanic for God knows how many times. But I teared up to the last messages before the boat sunk, you can read how desperate they are for help.
LadyinRed
LadyinRed ヶ月 前
Weirdly enough, I found myself teary eyed on this video too.
VikingTheDude
VikingTheDude ヶ月 前
it's cuz of the violinists bro. They get me every time
Archie Soluna
Archie Soluna ヶ月 前
@OrangeLake id love to watch it, do u have a link?
OrangeLake
OrangeLake ヶ月 前
There is also a video about the Titanic's communications and the desparation is felt when the operator is asking for help from any nearby ship
Divo Ario
Divo Ario ヶ月 前
Titanic: "We're undefeated, we can hold until 4 compartments breached!" Iceberg: "let's try 5"
GamingwithArlen
GamingwithArlen ヶ月 前
6 technically
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
The tragedy becomes worse when you look at the damage found on the wreck. The hole in the hindmost compartment was mere centimeters long. If the angle of the collision would have been just slightly different the ship might have made it.
diego arias
diego arias ヶ月 前
One interesting side note the Marconi operators were employees of the Marconi wireless company that shipping lines would rent out their services. Titanic's Marconi operators were officially second class passengers and there machine broke halfway though the voyage. Per company policy they should have not attempted to repair it instead wait until the next port of call but they fixed it themselves and prevented an even worse disaster from happening.
piratesswoop
piratesswoop ヶ月 前
It was the same for the musicians and the Guarantee Group.
joy
joy ヶ月 前
@Me Here they didn’t not “abuse” the other ship? after repairing the wireless and there was pressure on them to send out a bunch of personal messages from first class passengers + receiving more as they were trying to catch up. it’s very understandable that they were stressed and gave the californian attitude. your comment kinda gives off vibes that jack& harold were at fault and they most definitely were not
Naenae Gaming
Naenae Gaming ヶ月 前
@Me Here Abused is a strong word, considering Philips and Bride had been working throughout the day and late into the night sending messages back and forth for 1st Class passengers on the maiden voyage, only to be interrupted by the strong and extremely loud warnings from the nearby Californian. EDIT: As pointed out by another reply, the pair also had to repair the wireless earlier that day (despite Marconi’s policy being not to until arrival in port, their violation of this policy saving 700 lives), which delayed their ability to convey the many messages sent to and from the ship.
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
That's interesting. We all know about how they abused the nearby ship & that that might have helped cause the lack of response, but I've never heard about the broken wireless before. Kinda changes how they should be viewed doesn't it!
123rockfan
123rockfan ヶ月 前
It still boggles my mind that there hasn’t been a drama about the legal repercussions. Would make for a dramatic and emotional film
is
is ヶ月 前
I remember the stories of the White Star Line sending bills to the families of their crew that died. Imagine sending a bill to a grieving family...when it was your fault they died!
btomimatsucunard
btomimatsucunard ヶ月 前
@Matt van den Ham Oh no not that hogwash
Matt van den Ham
Matt van den Ham ヶ月 前
look into the conspiracy behind the titanic and you'll understand why
Nathan Seper
Nathan Seper ヶ月 前
The public inquiry was pretty intense.
Derek Ninabuck
Derek Ninabuck ヶ月 前
the only one I can think of is a docudrama film called "The Titanic Inquiry" which you can find on amazon video, it focuses on the SS Californian section of the British Inquiry(unfortunately no films have been made of the full inquiry that I no of)
bmused55
bmused55 ヶ月 前
I'm glad you covered the changes made to safety at sea in the wake of the Titanic's sinking. So often, documentaries focus on the tragedy, the mistakes and the deaths. They rarely include the positive changes that were made.
Hayley Ruth
Hayley Ruth ヶ月 前
Great video! The discussion of why people refused life boats, I think, makes more sense when you consider the SS Claham disaster happened less than 10 years prior to Titanic. In that case everyone who boarded life boats drowned while the men who stayed aboard realized they were sinking slower than they thought and were rescued. That was undoubtedly fresh in people's minds. It's logical that many thought they'd be safer onboard than in a tiny boat being lowered 10 stories down to the freezing, wide ocean.
Derpy Possum
Derpy Possum ヶ月 前
I’m…genuinely surprised. Usually mainstream channels like this get at least half of their facts wrong when discussing Titanic, either purposely dramatizing things or buying into myths and legends for a quick turnaround or what have you. But this was very well-researched, by contrast. Aside from the statistics of those aboard (2,208 were on the ship that night, and 712 survived), almost everything was completely correct, and that’s really impeccable when considering that this isn’t a Titanic-oriented channel. Well done indeed! 👍 For anyone reading this comment, I’d fully recommend checking out the book “On A Sea Of Glass: The Life & Loss of the RMS Titanic” by Tad Fitch, J. Kent Layton and Bill Wormstedt. It’s an extremely extensive book discussing the disaster and it’s surrounding history, with a brilliant collection of information for anyone wanting to learn more about this event :)
Hi, Im Chase!
Hi, Im Chase! ヶ月 前
The captain of the Carpathia is buried in my village, thank god they were still operating their communications that night, or a great tragedy would have been even more tragic.
David Fortier
David Fortier ヶ月 前
Captain Rostron could not have handled the situation better. He turned the ship around, ordered much of the crew to stoking and turned off the heat, the hot water and most of the lights. An RL example of "all power to the engines". The Carpathia was designed to go 15.5kt. During sea trials her top speed was declared to be 14.5kt but that morning she made almost 17kt, getting them there 30min faster that they would have at the ship's usual top speed.
Hi, Im Chase!
Hi, Im Chase! ヶ月 前
@Adam Wiethuechter I did not know that! Thanks for the knowledge
Adam Wiethuechter
Adam Wiethuechter ヶ月 前
In fact it almost wasn't. The Second Officer of the Carpathia was an enthusiast of the Marconi Wireless and shadowed their operator during his off-times. Wireless operators were contracted out exclusively through the Marconi Wireless Company back then. He had come down after his shift at midnight to the wireless room and asked if the set could be turned on so he could amuse himself and listen to the late night traffic. Thankfully the operator, who was still awake and had been listening to Titanic send messages to Cape Race (a shore relay station for passenger messages) obliged the personal request turning the set on to hear the distress call and jumped into action.
Flarelia
Flarelia ヶ月 前
4:33 - Yes, because they had tried and failed to avoid it. No one on the bridge was going to be the guy to go, “hey let’s ram an iceberg head on”, even though in hindsight that probably would have saved the ship.
David Renton
David Renton ヶ月 前
James Cameron did a early 2000's discussion with experts , it's somewhere on the internet. In it , to be fair, he notes he was wrong on several aspects , such as the break and tilt, after careful examination, but one of the proposals I remember, was that had they rammed it on purpose, then there is a good chance it would have not gone down.
H.M.A.S. Admiral Superray
H.M.A.S. Admiral Superray ヶ月 前
Assuming they rammed the iceberg head on and survived, the aftermath would be really weird as turning the ship would have been logical at the time.
Ron
Ron ヶ月 前
@Will C yeah, they did nothing wrong, they didn't know
Will C
Will C ヶ月 前
@Ron Assuming they even had the wherewithall to realise a head-on collision would have saved the ship (which it's unlikely they did, especially given the lack of time to react), it's the classic trolley problem. I can't see they'd ever be able to come to any other decision than to try and avoid the iceberg. Imagine the aftermath when it was revealed they rammed it head-on deliberately. No one would have believed that trying to avoid it would cause more deaths.
Samuel Schulthies
Samuel Schulthies ヶ月 前
I think it’s worth it to note too that even if she did have enough lifeboats, would Titanic actually had enough time to deploy all of them? Her last lifeboat was a collapsible, improperly deployed as the bow took its final plunge just minutes before the entire ship was gone. It’s possible that even with plenty of lifeboats, many would have gone down with the ship
Osteo Striga
Osteo Striga ヶ月 前
I can't even imagine the survivor's guilt the survivors must've felt
Don Nix
Don Nix ヶ月 前
@Osteo Striga Encyclopedia Titanica has a bio on him. Also if you feel like, Wikipedia has a page just dedicated to the lifeboat he was on “RMS Titanic lifeboat one.” It goes in on detail about the most controversial lifeboat from titanic’s wreck.
Osteo Striga
Osteo Striga ヶ月 前
@Don Nix Oh, wow, that's really cool!
Don Nix
Don Nix ヶ月 前
My great grandfather was a crewman on Titanic, he survived thanks to Officer Murdoch, a great man who was falsely portrayed as a murderer in Cameron’s film. Albert Horswill was my great grandfather, he never spoke much or at all regarding Titanic.
CrayCray Wolf
CrayCray Wolf ヶ月 前
@Osteo Striga Hindsight is 20/20
Blue Bliss Productions
Blue Bliss Productions ヶ月 前
@kcjdhfjfj That’s what I meant
monsterq6
monsterq6 ヶ月 前
This video was so beautifully done, I teared up thinking about the desperate signalmen tapping all night long. So terrifying to put yourself in their shoes.
Laura Silva
Laura Silva ヶ月 前
I am actually in the middle of reading Violet Jessop's book - the stewardess who survived both the sinking of Titanic and the Britannic - and it's one thing to read transcripts from the official Titanic inquiries that happened afterward, where they give a rather dry account of the event, it's another thing to read "Nobody, John, was taking the seriousness of anything," from an old plucky Irish immigrant.
Titanic
Titanic ヶ月 前
One addition: Not only could the watertight doors be lowered from the bridge, they also automatically closed once a compartment began filling with water due to a mechanism inside the bulkhead itself.
Joe
Joe ヶ月 前
Also, modern bulkheads are fully enclosed boxes with a “roof” on them that is also watertight. This protects against the spillover shown on the titanic (although the shear weight of fully flooded bulkheads can still pull a ship down). Early bulkheads had open tops, so… not good.
Ben
Ben ヶ月 前
Titanic still would've sank with higher bulkheads as 5 compartments would still not give her enough reserve buoyancy to stay afloat.
Minh Trần Bình
Minh Trần Bình ヶ月 前
We need to appreciate the effort put in by the editors to create such an amazing visual illustrations for this video! Always love Vox's videos
Davin Peterson
Davin Peterson ヶ月 前
Back in 1912, lifeboats weren't seen as lifesavers, but rather to transport people from a distressed ship to a rescue ship. This is why they didn't think it was necessary to have enough lifeboats for everyone aboard the ship. J Bruce Ismay had ordered extra lfieboats be removed because he though the deck look to cluttered
FORMAT Channel
FORMAT Channel ヶ月 前
@David Renton Designer Alexander Carlyle in 1909 developed a variant according to which the Olympic (and later the Titanic) should have had 48 or 64 boats, but this project was not approved. Firstly, this was not indicated by the British Council of Trade, and secondly, the location of the boats turned out to be very inconvenient. The whole deck turned out to be crowded with boats, and not only on the sides, but also in the center. Such a number of boats simply would not have had time to lower.
FORMAT Channel
FORMAT Channel ヶ月 前
@Davin Peterson On any large liner of that time, only half of the people installed boats, it was not only on the Titanic.
David Renton
David Renton ヶ月 前
@FORMAT Channel there was a documentary where there was an order with a Swedish company to have 48 , then 32 lifeboats. The design spec was sent to harland and wolff, but it appears the White Star line rejected it. The documentation still exist as does the company AB Welin, and would have used double davits.
Davin Peterson
Davin Peterson ヶ月 前
@Jean Scuissiato I wasn't sure about that, but a documentary showed him approving the removal of extra lifeboats
Austin Reed
Austin Reed ヶ月 前
Honestly, I completely forgot that Rose and Andrews scene after I watched the movie. It’s wild how tragic that one line really is.
TankNoob
TankNoob ヶ月 前
Surprised to see an actual good Titanic related video. I can see the creator of this video actually made some research and isn't talking non-sense. Good job Vox!! Subscriber earned
Bob Custer
Bob Custer ヶ月 前
Very surprising...coming from Vox.
Alex Shine
Alex Shine ヶ月 前
They briefly touch on the incredibly interesting involvement of the Californian, and the story about it's captain, his potential negligence and/or laziness, the stigma and ruined reputation that followed him for the rest of his life, and just how differently things might've have gone for the people on Titanic if the Californian had behaved differently.
Dantastic
Dantastic ヶ月 前
I read somewhere that, considering the time it takes for a ship of this size to sink, and the time it takes for a crew to service and deploy a life boat, adding more boats wouldn't really change anything, since you could only deploy so many boats in the time it takes the ship to sink
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
yeh, launching lifeboats from closer to the water, so less time to launch, or using life rafts were the options to genuinely save more lives. If they had had a pile of cheap life rafts stacked up next to the 20 lifeboats, people could have ridden them off the ship, without capsising, like one of the unlaunched lifeboats did
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
By the time they were getting the collapsibles ready water was rushing up onto the boat deck and they just floated away (as seen in the movie)
TESSIE PINKMAN
TESSIE PINKMAN ヶ月 前
Fantastic video! I've always had a deep interest of everything Titanic-related, and you made a video that scratched that itch I've had for a while for something *new* that I haven't already seen 3157 times :) *Thank you for always keeping us informed, Vox!*
Dominion Sorcerer
Dominion Sorcerer ヶ月 前
One vital thing a lot of people forget with the Titanic is that more lifeboats probably wouldn't have saved any more lives. By the time the last real lifeboats had been lowered and it was only the collapsible boats left, the Titanic had less than ten minutes left before it sunk. Those additional lifeboats would have gone down with the ship.
Dominion Sorcerer
Dominion Sorcerer ヶ月 前
@221 b most people didn't really panic until the Titanic was about ten minutes into its final plunge, by which point all lifeboats had already been launched. The Titanic had 16 lifeboats and it took them 12:45 am and went down under at 2:20 am, so with the davits they had, it's unlikely they would have been able to launch more. Instead of doing anything with the collapsible they would have continued launching more lifeboats. Remember, the Titanic developed a significant list to the port, so significant in fact that the crew working on Collapsible A were in the process of attaching the ship to the davits even as the port side of the bridge deck was beginning to go underwater because they didn't fully realise how much the ship had already sunk.
221 b
221 b ヶ月 前
Depends... Titanic had the new Davits, they had the feature that they could swing backwards into the deck and easily pick up a boat on a second row, launch that and then launch the outer boat. It took time setting up each davit so by having one set of davits to rig up for two boats would have saved some time and improved efficiency. Especially at first when the deck is level, they launched the boats in fast intervalls. And also one crew can prepare two boats, you stand between the two and you can quickly take the covers off, through in some bread. And since both boats are on deck level they are easy to get into, so loading the passengers is the same process, just one boat width further in on the second boat. So I think they could gotten quite a few boats off. You gotta remember those 4 collapsibles especially A and B up on the roof took a long time to launch and prep. So instead of wasting time on those they could have easily launched several boats by davity earlier on before it got as bad as when the collapsibles where being dealt with. Also having enough boats the panic could have been controlled better, so people could have boarded more orderly, especially towards the last boats aft and instead of wasting time sorting passengers you just through anyone in there because it doesn't matter. So I think it's plausible they could have maybe launched 25-30 boats and filled them up more. Lightoller had hundreds of men on his side he refused to let in a boat.
Naenae Gaming
Naenae Gaming ヶ月 前
@Dominion Sorcerer Only Britannic received gantry davits - Olympic would have required an even more extensive refit to reinforce the Boat Deck and A Deck below to support said gantry davits, hence the decision to only fit additional welin davits
Dominion Sorcerer
Dominion Sorcerer ヶ月 前
@Lnksy which were only installed on those two in direct response to the Titanic's sinking, as that event fundamentally changed how people thought of sinking ships.
Lnksy
Lnksy ヶ月 前
If they had the electric davits they installed on Britannic and Olympic, they would have been able to launch them much faster.
Trevor Todor
Trevor Todor ヶ月 前
The story of Titanic is a timeless tragedy. Iceberg. Maiden voyage. The band plays on as the ship goes down. RIP to those that lost lost their lives
Aguilar De Nehra
Aguilar De Nehra ヶ月 前
Just to let everyone know ..there were actually there sister ships nearly identical except for some interior changes RMS Titanic RMS Olympic RMS Britannic Which were the reason why lot a of theories were made claiming "Titanic never sank", "they lied about Titanic" etc etc
Kyle Englot
Kyle Englot ヶ月 前
Titanic had a completely different B deck configuration compared to the Olympic. The Olympic's B deck was mainly a 2nd passenger promenade that was barely even used as passengers preferred the one on A deck anyways. So when Titanic was being constructed they got rid of the mid deck promenade and instead filled the majority of the deck with extra luxury first class suites that extended to the full widths of B deck. They also installed the Cafe Parisian which was exclusive to Titanic at the time as the Olympic didn't have one at first. They eventually added one to the Olympic years later and in a completely different location more towards the forward part of B Deck. And of course enclosing half of the A deck promenade because it provided more shelter from high winds and sea overspray to keep the passengers more comfortable.
Bayous Bambino
Bayous Bambino ヶ月 前
It was HMHS 'Britannic'. It never went into mail service.
Sir Boomsalot
Sir Boomsalot ヶ月 前
“Some interior changes” is a bit of an understatement. Each of the Olympics was larger than the last, and they all had major differences (Britannic was different enough that she could almost be considered half-sister to Titanic and Olympic imo)
Alexandru Carjan
Alexandru Carjan ヶ月 前
Also at the time the lifeboats weren't made to accommodate the entire passenger capacity of the ships, they were meant as ferry's to transfer passengers from the sinking ship to rescue ships
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@Jodi J wow, I never realised that. I guess it makes sense. Only thing that doesn't make sense is why more lifeboats didn't use those materials in them
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@Jodi J what was collapsible A/all the collapsibles made of? I've never actually looked into that. Did it have kapok or other highly buoyant fibres as part of it's make up?
Jodi J
Jodi J ヶ月 前
@Me Here, indeed - and in fact, Collapsible A was found a few months later still floating in the water, even though it had been swamped the night of the sinking.
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@Maxx To be clear though, Titanic's life jackets were made of Kapok fibre enclosed in canvas. This same technique was used at the time to make life rafts, that were effectively unsinkable & if they capsised, that just means flipping over & people can sit on the other side just as easily as the first side
Linus Law
Linus Law ヶ月 前
Oh that makes so much more sense... the titanic book I read as a kid gave me the impression that there were 16 hulls layered over each other or something. I was like "why would you have 16 hulls if breaking to the 11th would sink you? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it only sink when the last hull is breached?" Lol
David Cordes
David Cordes ヶ月 前
An interesting side note - more lifeboats would not have made a difference. Only 18 of the 20 boats (14 wooden lifeboats, 2 wooden emergency cutters, and 2 collapsibles) were properly launched. More lifeboats in this scenario would have remained in there davits as the ship went down.
Hugo S
Hugo S ヶ月 前
@Lnksy Olympic never got electric davits. She kept the Wellins Titanic also had.
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
@Kenneth VanOosten so transfer people between lifeboats after launch & then rehoist the now empty ones back up to the top of Titanic & refill - as was the purpose of lifeboats back then, except to another ship rather than another lifeboat. If the time & difficulty in manually launching weren't issues, this presumably is what would have been done, since it's what's consistent with the protocols they were working to at the time. The first ones weren't fully launched because women were reluctant to board & one of the officers refused to load men, sending them half empty instead, it's been suggested he may have been a little bit Forest Gump like, good at his job, but unable to think beyond following orders to the letter, so he wasn't able to use common sense & realise if no more women wanted to board, logically he should put men on, but whatever the case, once those boats were in the water, away from Titanic, shouldn't have been an issue to put them next to each other & transfer the women between them, telling them they needed to do so, so that the boats could go back for their husbands. Problem of course was there wasn't time for that. Additionally, they actually should have transferred them to empty at least one boat in the water anyway, even if not returning to hoist up & collect more, cause crews onboard those lifeboats should have realised there were going to be people in the water they could rescue if they didn't already have passengers onboard they needed to think of the safety of
Kenneth VanOosten
Kenneth VanOosten ヶ月 前
Exactly, nearly 500 more people could have been saved that night if the crew had been properly trained to fill and launch the boats. Several of the first ones launched were only filled to between a third and a half capacity (one only had 12 people in it).
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
@James S. Some of the boats did end up overloaded and they all made it to Carpathia
James S.
James S. ヶ月 前
There just would have been twice as many half filled boats. They didn't even use the boats they had to capacity. With the calm seas they could have probably been overloaded by 10% and been safe.
Ralph Edison
Ralph Edison ヶ月 前
8:06 I'm glad you gave a quick explanation at the end as to how you generated these visuals. I hadn't thought about it or appreciated it before but I did think they were really well done. Great video!
MrOtto
MrOtto ヶ月 前
A wise man once said: "Having too much confidence can often be just as bad as having none at all."
Outcast Redeemer
Outcast Redeemer ヶ月 前
She was built the strongest and fought the hardest and in her memory, the world was changed. Truly the ship of dreams.
Steve D
Steve D ヶ月 前
That was just brilliantly done. Thank you for putting this together.
stolenshortsword
stolenshortsword ヶ月 前
excellent content as always vox. I'm really glad you're here on youtube.
Tyler Hackner
Tyler Hackner ヶ月 前
Thank you for this historical content. Was thinking if more lifeboats would’ve made the difference
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
no, it actually wouldn't have, launch time was the issue - it took too long to launch, cause of their location on the top deck. Rafts that could be thrown into the ocean/ridden off the sinking ship would have made a big difference, as would storing the lifeboats lower on the ship
Farah Ibrahim
Farah Ibrahim ヶ月 前
Love this a lot! From the wonderfully voiced narration to the use of graphics, what an amazingly informative & engaging piece. Great job!
S Ewing
S Ewing ヶ月 前
This is - without a doubt - the best and most succinct explanation of why exactly the Titanic sank...and (per the title) why there weren't enough lifeboats. Thank you!
Настя Денис
Thank you for your video. Titanic was always a mystery for me. Your video was concise and elaborate. It's such a pity that the milestone happened and such a few amount of people was rescued
Teet
Teet ヶ月 前
fun fact : Back than, lifeboats were also mainly built to ferry passengers to nearby aiding vessels should a ship run into any troubles on its voyage as ship builders thought that the actual ship would stay afloat long enough to be salvaged and/or brought back to port for repairs.
Rachel Broughton
Rachel Broughton ヶ月 前
Very interesting! From watching the movie (which is reasonably historically accurate in other aspects!) it really makes it seem like they didn’t put more lifeboats due to arrogance. Very interesting to hear some of the context behind it!
bag3lmonst3r
bag3lmonst3r ヶ月 前
Because "I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that." -Captain Smith
Sir Boomsalot
Sir Boomsalot ヶ月 前
In his defense, Captain Smith was referring to the RMS Adriatic in that quote, which actually had a very long, successful, and mostly accident-free career (with the exception of a gas explosion in 1922 that killed 5 crewmen). Honestly, all of the big four were absolute beasts of ships; for example, the first ship RMS Celtic took both a mine *and* a torpedo (on separate voyages) and shrugged them off. One can only imagine if Andrews was actually allowed to build the Olympics how he wanted to (with bulkheads going all the way to C deck and a full double hull)
Boris Müller
Boris Müller ヶ月 前
“Hubris? What’s that?”
AlexElectricX
AlexElectricX ヶ月 前
Man I have been obsessed with the Titanic since the early 90s. Great well researched video Vox! Thank you for making this :D
Semechki for Putin
Semechki for Putin ヶ月 前
I feel like even without expecting a sinking, it would havebeen a good idea to pair the titanic's maiden voyage with another ship on the same route in case something didn't work out with the totally untested new ship. though I suppose the public might have paid attention to that, and would have seen it as a sign of low confidence.
Dean Stephens
Dean Stephens ヶ月 前
Oceanliner Designs does really good videos on these topics! The whole mindset towards ocean travel was different for people back then I think.
HoennMaster
HoennMaster ヶ月 前
If any ship was unsinkable it was Titanic's sister RMS Olympic. She had a secondary career as a demolition derby player and survived a torpedo attack.
S_AME
S_AME ヶ月 前
@Emma Madison not the Olympic
Emma Madison
Emma Madison ヶ月 前
If it can float it can sink
HoennMaster
HoennMaster ヶ月 前
@Crissy Dee What can I say. Olympic loved hitting other ships 🤷🏻‍♂️ Collided with three ships in her career plus sank a U-Boat in WW1
Jodi J
Jodi J ヶ月 前
@Crissy Dee, rammed and sank a U-Boat during the war, and then rammed and sank a light boat in 1934.
Crissy Dee
Crissy Dee ヶ月 前
DEMOLITION DERBY?!
王ノ山・クロプセ
To think that the Titanic could've survived had it rammed head-on to that iceberg instead of heeding that emergency manoeuvre.
Aaron Wicklam
Aaron Wicklam ヶ月 前
That is a possibility, however without actually evidence as to the size and shape of the iceberg there is no way of knowing if the ship could have. Also without known that actual shape and size of the berg there is also know way of knowing if Murdoch turning the ship would have prevented the ship from striking the berg. But I suspect that Murdoch along with the other officers would have familiarized themselves the pilot card. If he had, he would have known the Titanic's characteristics and maneuverability this aiding his decision to avoid the iceberg.
James S.
James S. ヶ月 前
@Maxx I wasn't being conceited. Wasn't my intention. I agree with you. I also agreed with the one I was responding to.
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
@James S. ”People never think of the alternatives” No captain in their right mind would favor a head on collision over a potential near miss, a hit the ship would survive or a hit with a successful evacuation. Before Titanic, no oceanliner had ever hit an iceberg in such a way. You can be conceited as much as you like now, after the fact but Smith made the right call, especially given what little time he had to act.
James S.
James S. ヶ月 前
@Sir Boomsalot That's the problem. 20-20 hindsight. People never think of the alternatives and maybe things aren't as bad as they could be. Even as bad as it was, it could have been worse. The ship could have lost power and no messages sent. The Titanic would have just been another ship that disappeared in the Atlantic. Lifeboats would have been found eventually. Maybe a few dozen could be saved if discovered in time. At least they had the psychological advantage of knowing they tried their best to miss the berg.
Sir Boomsalot
Sir Boomsalot ヶ月 前
Of course, had Titanic never turned and hit the iceberg head on, then Murdoch would have been arrested and court martialed for not trying to avoid the iceberg and getting potentially hundreds of passengers in the bow killed.
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
Thank you for this video!! I always roll my eyes at the myth that the titanics lifeboat capacity was just sheer negligence or disregard for 3rd class passengers. Yes health and safety were not nearly what they are today in 1912 but the idea that White Star Line would straight up commit manslaughter is ridiculous - and James Camerons movie didn’t exactly help with debunking that
DurosKlav
DurosKlav ヶ月 前
Ya there were no locked gates preventing the 3rd Class passengers from getting to the boats. It was mostly a lot of non english speakers unfamiliar with the boat and unable to navigate the corridors to reach safety.
Stephen Arbon
Stephen Arbon ヶ月 前
The 3 ships were designed to have additional life boats to meet a proposed changes to the British regulations. But the requirements were delayed, and so shipping company decided not to install them, probably because they didn't have to and they were expensive, although they did of course to the other two, after the Titanic sank.
Derpy Possum
Derpy Possum ヶ月 前
It’s also even more ridiculous when considering that the ship had 4 more boats that what it was initially designed with.
DavidRGD
DavidRGD ヶ月 前
Nowadays, the term "unsinkable" comes off as sarcasm. One ship they believe that would never sink, had already sank, and that was probably it.
Derpy Possum
Derpy Possum ヶ月 前
Interestingly though, several ships were still being called unsinkable after the Titanic’s sinking, oddly enough. Olympic was claimed to be unsinkable after receiving modifications as a result of the Titanic disaster, there were multiple warships that were claimed to be unsinkable, and I think there was even an oil rig that was called unsinkable.
Samson Soturian
Samson Soturian ヶ月 前
@Maxx you should see the level of paranoia around plane crashes
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
Back then it would have probably sounded more ridiculous than it does today. Shipwrecks were very common before and at the beginning of the 20th century. People knew that boarding a ship came with a risk. If anything, we overestimate our safety at the hands of nature today
Samson Soturian
Samson Soturian ヶ月 前
Except when speaking of Cyprus. When that place is called the unsinkable aircraft carrier, they mean it.
Corey Chambers
Corey Chambers ヶ月 前
Excellent analysis of issues surrounding the Titanic disaster and its insufficient lifeboats.
BroAnarchy
BroAnarchy ヶ月 前
That side by side picture of the Olympic , with the change of the life boats is surprising. Even to this day, its sad to think that it took such a tragic maritime disaster to initiate such change for ships on the open Seas....
Skywise
Skywise ヶ月 前
Good overview of the wreck. I remember watching a video on how Titanic could of survived if it was a head on collision.
Claire Adams
Claire Adams ヶ月 前
I've said since I was small that if the ship had hit the berg head on, it would have drastically reduced the time it took to sink, if it would at all
niki75
niki75 ヶ月 前
I wont lie... I came into this video expecting it to be a crudely thrown together, borderline clickbait-y title packed full of wrong information and conspiracy theories... Only to be absolutely 1000% proven wrong, this is easily one of the best videos outlining the disaster I've seen in a long while, what an absolute delight!
fin screenname
fin screenname ヶ月 前
Couple things, going in life boats back in the day almost meant certain death. Two ships just before the Titanic was built suffered damage and all that took to the lifeboats died and the ships didnt sink so everyone who stayed on the ships were rescued and lived. Even today's cruise ships, everyone sees those big orange and white lifeboat tenders and think that's enough for everyone, it is not. The rest (mostly crew) have to board those large inflatable cubes and deal with the ocean in a giant bouncy house.
Alice
Alice ヶ月 前
Imagine being the crew on the ship that was just 20 miles away knowing 1500 people died because you turned off your wireless radio for the night and you were comfortably asleep while they froze to death...
James Groccia
James Groccia ヶ月 前
For the time, Titanic’s 20 lifeboats were actually above the regulations of her time. And her Welin quadrant davits could hold extra boats inboard from the set that people could see. Of course that would probably clutter the deck space, and actually end up resulting in more casualties than 1500+ because it took the crew nearly 3 hours to launch all 20 lifeboats. Yes the capacity inside the boats totaled less than Titanic’s total carriage, but at her time it was believed if she ran into trouble there’d be enough ships nearby so the lifeboats could be used as ferries.
jj
jj ヶ月 前
It's such a shame that by trying to avoid hitting the iceberg they actually made it worse, as it scraped along the side. If it had just been a bit less damage to 4 compartments it would have stayed afloat
Julio Zabre
Julio Zabre ヶ月 前
I love how you narrate these stories and history in your videos. Please make more of Darkroom. 🙏
Robert Hudson
Robert Hudson ヶ月 前
To summarize: Titanic complied with the rules in force at the time.
Knorth Creative
Knorth Creative ヶ月 前
Very very well done! I always love the Vox videos and appreciate that they’re free. I’m making my gift to Vox to keep the content rolling.
Adrian Ghandtchi
Adrian Ghandtchi ヶ月 前
I’m so pleased this wasn’t going to be another bright side misinformation style video, thank you to Mike from OceanlinerDesigns and the guys from TH&G for clearing up many myths from the past.
Ygor Cortes
Ygor Cortes ヶ月 前
Absolutely amazing video, if would be great if you made even more videos on the Titanic. One important thing about the lifeboat: if the ship had enough lifeboats for everyone, possibly even MORE people would've been killed. That's because the crew didn't even have enough time to launch all of the lifeboats that were there, and if the ship had even more they would just get in the way of the crew.
Gurren813
Gurren813 ヶ月 前
I never understood why they didn't have a deck "Cap" on key compartments that would prevent the water from making it over the next bulkheads. Every Third or Fourth compartment being totally sealed could have saved the ship in my estimation.
neikodemus
neikodemus ヶ月 前
It is interesting how relevant this disaster even after hundred years is, i have seen many videos on that topic and still new ones are popping up, it just shows how it affected safety on boats and ships
Pokhraj Roy
Pokhraj Roy ヶ月 前
If the Titanic had sailed smoothly, Patrick Crawley would be the true heir of Downton but the question remains: Would Lady Mary acknowledge the relationship?
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Tragic incident. Sadly, back then requirement of no. of boats was based on tonnage capacity of ship itself and not on the passenger capacity back, so they go by the law (which not always work until something happens like this). Nonetheless lifeboats viewed as transport instead lifesaving or evacuation as whole. Unfortunately other events like communication, warning signals, speed and ramming to iceberg not got in the favor of Titanic as well. James Cameron did quiet well research about technical aspect of these and showed up most of the details very well in the movie. It was always fascinating to watch anything related to Titanic. Great job Vox doing in simple manner.
The Victory Over Himself
The Victory Over Himself ヶ月 前
It didn’t have enough lifeboats becuase they were supposed to shuttle you back and fourth from your ship to another one or to a nearby shore, not be a substitute Ocean going vessel. Ships sinking in an hour or two is extremely rare.
Action 683
Action 683 ヶ月 前
A good follow up to this video would be the design lessons they learned from titanic’ s demise that they incorporated into the Olympic and Brittanic, and how it failed to keep one of them from sinking during WW1
doveton sturdee
doveton sturdee ヶ月 前
I suggest the the mine played something of a role in the sinking of Britannic.
pastrami lad
pastrami lad ヶ月 前
On top of all of this - even if there were enough lifeboats for everyone, the likelihood of getting everyone on those and lowered into the water fast enough wouldn't have been possible due to the time they had to work between the notification to the passengers of the emergency and the ship submerging under the water
Steven Foster
Steven Foster ヶ月 前
It always seems impossible until it happens.
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
Similar to how 9/11 changed aviation
rtyuu999
rtyuu999 ヶ月 前
Even if they had enough lifeboats, they probably wouldn't have had enough time to deploy them all. Lifeboats 19 and 20 weren't deployed in time when the Titanic went down so survivors clinged to the overturned lifeboat
Lnksy
Lnksy ヶ月 前
The reason Collapsible A and B weren’t able to be launched quickly was because they were placed on top of the officer’s quarters and there was no easy way to get them down.
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
exactly!
Awesome Aasim
Awesome Aasim ヶ月 前
Hundred years later in 2012, the _Costa Concordia_ would capsize in the Mediterranean Sea. This necessitated mandatory emergency drills to be conducted before embarking on any cruise, as well as being able to abandon ship within 20 minutes of the muster alarm.
Leon Agnew
Leon Agnew ヶ月 前
Even if they had enough lifeboats for everyone, they wouldn't have had enough time to load and lower them. It was proven in some James Cameron documentary.
Jazz_ In_The_Dark
Jazz_ In_The_Dark ヶ月 前
There's a white star line brochure you can see online that claimed both Titanic and Olympic were designed to be unsinkable
NowYouSeeMe
NowYouSeeMe ヶ月 前
I still get teary eyed thinking about how scared they were
Amir Shokouhi
Amir Shokouhi ヶ月 前
Great video. It's sad to see that if one man hadn't decided to sleep that night, maybe hundreds could be saved.
Me Here
Me Here ヶ月 前
yup, captain on the Titanic should never have left his post after ordering Titanic to travel at a speed WAY too fast for the conditions!
SiVlog
SiVlog ヶ月 前
There was another, often unspoken aspect with the rules of wireless communication at the time that played a part. Messages from one ship to another, specifically ones intended for the Captain of the ship, such as weather warnings, had to be prefixed with the code "MSG", short for "Master Service Gram". Crucially, while the wireless operator on the Californian, Cyril Evens, did broadcast an ice warning, he didn't prefix his warning with that code, leading to Titanic's operator, John Phillips, to fire back an angry response: "Shut up! You're jamming the frequency, I'm working Cape Race [Newfoundland, Canada]," It was Evens mistake, but he seemed to have faced no consequences for his mistake (as far as I've seen, having visited Titanic Experience, Belfast, Northern Ireland)
SiVlog
SiVlog ヶ月 前
@Jean Scuissiato given that he had turned off his wireless and went to bed, I'd say that the simple act of doing so meant that his captain's ship couldn't hear the distress calls from Titanic even if they were on the ball waiting for one
Jean Scuissiato
Jean Scuissiato ヶ月 前
Evans also had no blame for the crew being so inactive that they didn't even bothered to wake him up to at least hear what was going on. While I don't think Californian could have reached Titanic anyway because she was surrounded by ice, the lack of action has no excuses on that situation.
Derpy Possum
Derpy Possum ヶ月 前
His snapping back was also largely in part to his sleep-deprivation with the passenger message backlog.
SiVlog
SiVlog ヶ月 前
@joywolf83 because Evens' message didn't have the requisite prefix before his ice warning, Phillips was under no obligation to take the message to Captain Edward Smith
joywolf83
joywolf83 ヶ月 前
I'm sure he felt it for the rest of his life..... and by that admission wouldn't that have been partially Phillps mistake too
Marta
Marta ヶ月 前
First of all, great video! Especially from a mainstream channel. Second of all and just to add a small detail for those who are interested, even if the Titanic had enough lifeboat aboard before she sank, not everyone would have been saved. The Titanic sank too quickly even for all 20 lifeboats to be properly launched, let alone 30+ lifeboats.
Susan M
Susan M ヶ月 前
I also saw in another documentary that if the Titanic sped up and made a sharp turn coming into the iceberg, it would have done less damage and could have been saved. It was a fatal mistake attempting to stop the ship (and to stop the engine) because the magnitude of the ship wouldn't be able to come to halt in time before colliding with the iceberg. It instead slowed down rather than stopping (which would take some time) and allowed the iceberg to drag across the bottom and cut into all 5 compartments .
R.G. Kooper Archive / Private Channel
"An outdated safety law may have cost hundreds of lives." ~ "Thanks for watching, I had a lot of fun making this one."
Robert Stark
Robert Stark ヶ月 前
Were people scared of going by boats/ships after the incident? Would be interesting to know!
Hugo S
Hugo S ヶ月 前
Olympic had a record year in 1913, so no.
SQUARE HEAD SAM
SQUARE HEAD SAM ヶ月 前
After Titanic’s sinking White star entered it twilight years, so it didn’t do good for the companies involved.
xX casey Xx
xX casey Xx ヶ月 前
5:42 oh my god can you imagine being that operator and the amount of guilt...
Alex Harrison
Alex Harrison ヶ月 前
Would've taken quite a bold call on the bridge to say "Nup, too late to turn, let's absolutely smash that mountain of ice head on" and yet probably would have been the right decision - hindsight makes it so easy
Maxx
Maxx ヶ月 前
@doveton sturdee with the information they had it would have been ludicrous. The ship could have narrowly missed, hit without 5 compartments flooding or hit with a rescue ship making it in time. All of those options are much better than killing a hundred or so passengers in their bunks by smashing up the bow like a soda can.
doveton sturdee
doveton sturdee ヶ月 前
Of course it would. Can you imagine any naval officer at all deliberately bringing about such a collision?
TentaclesMod
TentaclesMod ヶ月 前
I think of the Titanic disaster as in a way inevitable. Even if the Titanic itself never sank, sooner or later a great tragedy would have ocurred for similar reasons and prompted the same changes.
saucy
saucy ヶ月 前
Also the Olympic did get extended Bulkheads and a double hull after the Titanic disaster, though, weirdly, the boiler room Bulkheads didn't get extended.
ALBERTOERSA
ALBERTOERSA ヶ月 前
Great video! I have loved discovering more details of this tragedy since I was a child, especially as our understanding of the situation deepens. Just a pro tip: The transitions of the animations and images in the video need to have more fps in them, the stuttering is noticeable and since I'm under the effect of some meds *wink*, they are nausea-inducing.
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