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Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot 4 ヶ月 前
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@Mentour Pilot cab u readmy reply where i critisize boeings engine control philosofy, buit dramatized and almost an airbus selling add by john leahy, president of communication in airbus, talented man btw
Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot 20 日 前
@Iwas Banned88 This content is not for everyone. I go into the real details of the final report in order for viewers to really understand, not only what happened, but why. If you want the cliff-notes or highly dramatized content, there are other channels for that.
Iwas Banned88
Iwas Banned88 20 日 前
You take something that should be incredibly interesting and make it extraordinarly boring. You basically delve into tiny details like "And this bolt was made from a nikel based alloy that's a composite of"😴
Cole Werner
Cole Werner ヶ月 前
Were the piolets fired after this then? I would be interested to know.
Graham Thomas
Graham Thomas ヶ月 前
pilots are confronted with to much complexity caused by computers .
Daynja1 ヶ月 前
A few years ago I watched a video titled "Who Destroyed Three Mile Island?" and it really changed my perspective on how we blame people for accidents. In this Emirates accident, like many others, it is very easy to just blame it on pilot error, but that does nothing. People will always make mistakes. It's much more important to determine why they made that mistake to prevent it in the future.
Scoobyscoots P
Scoobyscoots P 15 日 前
Should be life with no parole for people getting their carry.
sanjkarn 20 日 前
sanjkarn 20 日 前
😊 plplp I’m pll I’ll l
sanjkarn 20 日 前
P lell I’ll pp😊😊long 😊 ppp
fhhsvnggbh 29 日 前
Exactly, i started working for a company that is very heavy on blaming and sacking people for their mistakes, below management. So Ive tried teaching them how there is a root cause for errors and mistakes, but idiots. We cant change the world and we cant fix stupid, unfortunetly stupid exists in all levels of business from aviation to goverment.
Anders Malmgren
Anders Malmgren 2 ヶ月 前
As a system architect and software engineer I sense a bit of bad design here. When the system put the engines in idle because of the partial touchdown it should have sent s warning of some sort. Sound, light, haptic, or all of above. Som alltid, bra berättat av dig :)
Mark Freeman
Mark Freeman 9 日 前
Yeah it seems, idle plus toga, should set off alarms.
Edmond Hung
Edmond Hung 9 日 前
@OvercomingObstacles CreatesCharacter Good feature. But what’s the harm of adding a alert sound if TOGA button has been accidentally pressed?
OvercomingObstacles CreatesCharacter
A lot of armchair pilots here. Once the aircraft was below certain alt or detects touchdown, A/T is inhibited from full throttle because there are cases where the TOGA button has been accidentally hit while on runway or taxiing - and you certainly wouldn't want your engines to suddenly thrust at that point.
Roger 17 日 前
Well this is just another example of Boeing's arrogance. Toga should have delivered full thrust under the circumstances.
Edmond Hung
Edmond Hung 22 日 前
@shoersa consider its power output, it’s a incredibly high ramping rate
bluesfun 4 ヶ月 前
7 emergency exits out of 10 cannot be used and the cabin crew managed to save EVERYONE on board?! This is more than incredible! Amazing job.
throwback19841 27 日 前
@N Need a miracle on the hudson every 5-10 years to remind people what you're there for. Im always a little fascinated by the differences in attitudes/style of the cabin crew on various airlines. British Airways/Virgin always seem very friendly/jokey/light hearted, whereas United Airlines seem to be all business, and dare I say it, usually a bit older, which inspires a lot of confidence. Also bossy when they need to be lol. The scene in sully where they are barking orders at the passengers is very United. I think they must teach them a stern manner for emergencies. My favourite was a spanish cabin crewmember on Iberia though, we landed and of course some numpties start getting out of their seat and grabbing their bags from the overhead while the plane is still taxiing, the stewardess gets on the tannoy and specifically calls the guy out describing his dress and seat number and telling him to put his bag back and sit down and put on his seatbelt. He then proceeds to pretend he didn't hear her so the other passengers starts pointing it out to him too. Still acting dumb, and the plane now pulled up at the gate, the stewardess again calls him out on the tannoy and informs all the passengers that they aren't opening the doors until he puts his bag back, closes the overhead, and puts his seatbelt back on. Only once he gave in and did as he was told, did she finally open the doors and the pilots turned off the seatbelt sign. She got a round of applause. I got off the plane whistling "farewell and adieu to ye fair spanish ladies..."
Niinsa62 ヶ月 前
@N Yeah, that's a problem. Most passengers don't realize that the cabin crew is there mainly to help in an emergency. Serving drinks and peanuts is just something they do when there is no emergency to deal with. Give them respect, they are there to save your life!
_qwe_FK_1 ヶ月 前
@N lmao maybe just switch jobs with that attitude hahah
N ヶ月 前
But yet nobody will bother to look at us cabin crew while we give the safety demo, we're not respected until pax realise that they need us to save their disrespectful little asses, up til that point we're only viewed as wait staff in the sky 🤷🤷😔😔
Douglas ヶ月 前
@_qwe_FK_1 I've been told people in these situations don't get their luggage because they want the luggage, but because they are experiencing large quantities if adrenaline. This effectively puts their brains in check. Anyway they grab their luggage because that's what you do when you leave the plane and they can't really think past that goal. Mostly people later think getting the luggage was wrong and don't know why they did it.
Ricardo Jesús Rodriguez de Castro
The name of the firefighter who gave his life to save the others was Jassim Al Bloushi. May he rest in peace. _/\_
Florensdsdw 4 日 前
@Gary Haber yeah
Gary Haber
Gary Haber 4 日 前
@Florensdsdw for sure bro.... but it is good he came to his senses and remove it
Florensdsdw 4 日 前
@Gary Haber sadly he removed it but damn saying something bad about someone who saved multiple people lives is terrible
Gary Haber
Gary Haber 4 日 前
@Florensdsdw he has said something very nasty and un caring about the firefighter who lost his life..... it should be in the comments somewhere unless he has removed it
Florensdsdw 4 日 前
Yes! Legendary firefighter! Rip😢
leonnilein 4 ヶ月 前
Coming from a software development perspective I find it interesting that there is no feedback to the users (in this case the pilots) when they press a button that is inhibited. Especially such a critical button. Could be a callout like "inhibited" or a buzzer sound or whatever. I think such a feature could have gotten the pilots attention and prevented the accident from happening. At least it would insert another slice into the Swiss cheese.
George Sidor
George Sidor 日 前
@mukesh This is nothing to do with intelligence. It's all about the training, muscle memory and expectation the flight crew had with aircraft and the automation. They expected it to behave one way, and it behaved a different way. There's a certain minimal level of inteligence for many professional positions. Given reasonable intelligence, the difference between professions is usually the training and education. And yes, some people just seem to have a knack for certain skills, like flying a plane, designing buildings, or playing instruments or singing. Doesn't make them more intelligent, but perhaps more talented
David Wright
David Wright 2 日 前
Reading some of the comments due to Pilot Information overload time to put the third man back in the cockpit. It took four or five Qantas pilots to land on A380 that the engine blew up in Hong Kong (most of the controls taken out) it was just unusual that there were that many in the cockpit due to being the first plane delivered to Australia
David Wright
David Wright 2 日 前
As a former technician electro mechanical (old school) agree that Leonnilein idea very feasibly
George Sidor
George Sidor 27 日 前
@richard wyse I wouldn't trust an Alexa type of program to fly a plane. Alexa does all the processing on the backend google servers. You don't have that type of connectivity in a plane. So, now you have to add more processing power on the plane. What happens if it accidentally activates, hears something you said that wasn't directed at it, and does it? "I wish we were on the ground" statement could be fatal, if the Alexa thought you wanted to go down right now.
George Sidor
George Sidor 27 日 前
@mukesh Such generalizations are useless. I'm sure there are pilots who have high intelligence, and ones who have average intelligence. Just as I am sure there are developers with high intelligence and ones with average. Being a pilot doesn't necessarily require high intelligence. I think being a good pilot requires normal intelligence, and some level of talent that allows you to be able to handle multiple things at once, and a feel for flying. It requires being organized also.
fryfry377 2 ヶ月 前
Thank you for reiterating how important it is to investigate possible mistakes, not in the pursuit of assigning blame, but to correct those mistakes in the future.
Gavman's Workshop
Gavman's Workshop 2 ヶ月 前
I salute both pilots and crew, I have a minute's silence for that brave firefighter 🙏
Andrew Steitz
Andrew Steitz 4 ヶ月 前
Reading someone else’s comment, it dawned on me how the difference in your tone of voice compared to TV series’s narrators makes such a huge difference. You are calm and soothing, educating people and helping to calm people’s nerves. The TV shows use suspense to get you to stay through the next commercial break, thereby raising the anxiety level of already nervous fliers. Well done! Yet one more reason I love this channel.
Lori Magisch
Lori Magisch 15 日 前
This is one of my first few videos on this channel I've watched. I've viewed hundreds on other channels. This was the first time I've felt extreme anxiety in a long time. Idk why but it was intense. Maybe because he explained the lack of training ahead of time instead of after so u knew what was going to happen. Good to know I can still be alarmed by a video tho lol
Momchil Andonov
Momchil Andonov 2 ヶ月 前
Who are those "already nervous fliers"? :D
I-Love-Space 3 ヶ月 前
@Stephen Hosking And after every commercial break they repeat almost 2 minutes of show in case your tiny short attention span can't remember what happened, and padding a 30 minute show into 40 minutes plus 20 minutes of commercials. Even Pluto TV, which has the most commercials of any service, has less commercials than cable or airwave TV.
Stephen Hosking
Stephen Hosking 3 ヶ月 前
"The TV shows use suspense to get you to stay through the next commercial break, ", with 20 minutes of commercials in the last 30 minutes of the show. I've learned to be not hooked in by the first 20 minutes add-free.
Berit S.
Berit S. 3 ヶ月 前
Which is one of the readons I don't watch tv anymore. For decades.
GoGoJK 2 ヶ月 前
I would like to share the information for the work hours of the flight and cabin crew. The flights from DXB to TRV are "Turn Around" flights meaning that the crew had 2 hours of duties on the ground in Dubai before they take the flight DXB-TRV which is up to 4 hours. They will be there on the ground for almost 2 hours and then with new passengers will fly back TRV-DXB. This means the crew before taking the flight TRV-DXB were already on their approx 8 hours duty before the start of the TRV-DXB flight (2h ground DXB duty + 4h DXB-TRV + 2h ground TRV duty + 4h TRV-DXB). Their duty started the day before since this is considered an overnight Turn Around Flight. Otherwise an amazing video. I love your channel!
Tomix1980 2 ヶ月 前
hey there. i while being a passenger, rc plane flyer and interested in aviation stuff always wondered how it is managed to keep eye on the energy management in the critical phase of landing and takeoff(goaround), and was wondering, that the monitoring of climb rate is given so much focus, where it takes so much more time to recover from a situation from not sufficient thrust. What i mean is a question if this would not be something worth considering adding the focus to that acceleration and thrust ? since the planes are getting more and more computerised and the pilots possibility to fly it with "the popo meter" like they say in formula 1 becomes more and more tricky, i can imagine how such a thing becomes impossible to notices. but since to my noob mind would only take a fracture of time to pitch up when enough thrust is provided, the other way round might take longer, and like in this case TOO LONG. And of course , as often, i also ask out of a personal interest and pain, because to be honest, this is always the phase of a flight i fear most: the overconfidence in the electronics and the pilots pitching up to much into a situation of stalling So i find myself often silently say a hope prayer we also have enough wind around our wings to climb the rate a plane is climbing when starting. Would be really interessting to hear from you if you personally would think the climb rate and the focus on it at star up is justified and the idea of including "physical energy monitoring" in the way described above would make sense to you ? Thanks for any reply if you´re able to find the time, and thanks for keeping this valuable content coming to us :D Mariusz
Tomix1980 2 ヶ月 前
PS: if i didn´t manage to express myself in a way you know what i mean, please tell me:D PPS: i´ll try a second way to describe my fears of what might get missing in modern ways of transportation: isn´t it easier in this time of flying and driving by wire to notice issues with height / climb rate (which of course is important too) than issues with gaining thrust/air speed in combination to the time and safety time it needs to recover from the one or the other ? Maybe i tend to be very suspicious about the level of security buffer because of my idea there might be economicall and social aspects included that i fear might also interfere: is it it the nowadays considered enough to in the phase of takeoff not trade "airflow around the plane" for a good climb rate ? i would consider having a lot more speed than needed around my air vehicle for a specified climbrate a real appreciatable safety buffer, that causes inefficiency of fuel for company and noise pollution for near airport inhabitants) , but i would also be able to see how other interessts might want this buffer to be set to a minimum. Anyhow. Thanks for reading if you made it this far and thanks for reply . Would love to see a video covering this topic. Oh, wait, maybe there is. I know the one regarding climbrate, but the combination of both , i did not see yet ,-) Greetingz, M
Muzza RESARF ヶ月 前
Extremely well explained, thank you. I look forward to your next video🧐🇦🇺
Your dad
Your dad 3 ヶ月 前
I was a passenger who Escaped This accident Unharmed.Its a pleasure to Know what Happened that day Thankyou Peter❤️ Love From India
p39483 13 日 前
@Your dad So use encryption and backups. Slowing down an evacuation to save your own ass is classic bad dude behavior. That's the sort of thing that gets you dismembered and eaten just before the happy ending in movies.
Lori Magisch
Lori Magisch 15 日 前
@fhhsvnggbh if those things are more important than life or others lives you probably shouldn't carry them on a plane. Phone can be backed up, too. Digital copies of photos. Passports, meds, replaced. Mementos are just reminders of memories which you only lose when dead or at a point that the memento won't help your memory
Cartman 25 日 前
People don't realize that something could potentially be a hazard to someone else or even you, especially in cases of emergency
Cartman 25 日 前
@the.abhiram.r for a fact....okay dude you know better
the.abhiram.r 25 日 前
@Cartman i know for a fact that you're gonna be grabbing everything if you get in a crash 💀
Dale Brown
Dale Brown 4 ヶ月 前
I am a long retired airline pilot and I thought this was one of the best analysis of a crash that I have seen. For perspective I started airline flying as a F/O on the Lockheed Constellation and retired as a Captain on the B-757 so I flew with no autopilot to the full autoland systems. I believe that too much emphasis is placed on the auto systems today and there is just not enough "hands on" flying. In this case the Captain hit the TOGA switches and just assumed that the autothrottles were working. When I was flying an Air Florida plane took off from Washington National in snow and freezing rain without turning on the engine anti-ice and didn't push the throttles forward beyond the EPR limits, which were incorrect due to the ice, and crashed into the Potomac River. I always felt that if I was ever in that type of situation I would break the throttles pushing them forward before I hit the ground. For this reason I never hit the TOGA switches without following the throttles with my hand and if they weren't moving fast enough I helped them out. The automatic systems of today are fantastic and have made flying even safer but they don't replace the pilot they should just enhance the pilot's abilities.
Manoj Pawar
Manoj Pawar 27 日 前
@Captain Quirk - Thankful that you are an attorney and not a pilot I'd rather have a pilot ensuring that the plane is performing its job as expected after pressing a button, than assuming that it would have done its 'supposed' job. Many other pilots on this forum have confirmed that they would manually ensure that the thrust levers are floored, so to say, even after TO/GA is armed/engaged. Would have mean't a different outcome probably even if they had managed to check that 4 seconds earlier, as it would have given time for the engines to run to full thrust.
Dale Brown
Dale Brown ヶ月 前
@Mark Krebs TOGA has functions other than the autothrottles including the flight director instruments which immediately gives you the proper pitch-up indication as well as sending the same information to the autopilot. Prior to TOGA each pilot would have to physically set his flight director, tough to do with one hand on the wheel and the other on the throttles. TOGA does its job very well and usually moves the throttles up fast enough, but that's not enough to ignore it and let it do its thing.
Mark Krebs
Mark Krebs ヶ月 前
TOGA seems very scant improvement, especially if you have to back it up manually.
Alexanderius ヶ月 前
Totally agree with you.
Deus Ex Machina
Deus Ex Machina 2 ヶ月 前
@Trust But Verify Your comment and username match so well!
BRUH ヶ月 前
The amount of things that you have to think of when trying to fly a plane is insane... Im seriously losing braincells trying to understand what is happening XD
tapalmer99 ヶ月 前
I put very little blame on the pilots ultimately they didn't realize that the throttles were at idle but the design of the TOGA switch seems idiotic. If a pilot wants to hit the TOGA switch it shouldn't matter where the plane is even if it's down on its wheels. If he sees a Runway incursion in front of him and he decides it's better to get off the ground that TOGA switch should work. Also, the fact that there aren't call-outs below 200 ft because it's a distraction is just stupid. Something that will aid to the situational awareness of either pilot is a good thing, and to not do it is just stupid. Lastly, if an airport is in an environment with frequent wind directions why wouldn't they have multiple wind socks possibly even at three points down the runway. For something that has to be about the cheapest available pilot aid ever made it just seems ridiculous.
Alex Pozgaj
Alex Pozgaj ヶ月 前
If I switch on the light in my room, and it's not working because I didn't press it correctly, or because the switch is broken, or because there is no power, or the light bulb is broken, I notice that the room is still dark and act accordingly. In this case, after hitting the TOGA button, the captain and/or the first officer noticed nothing: (1) IDLE display, (2) throttle levers not moving, (3) engine sound not changing, (4) acceleration not happening, (5) speed still dropping, (6) engine control display not showing that engines are spooling up. And that's only from what we heard in this video, probably there are even other things they could have noticed but didn't. I don't see how this can be seen as anything else but a pilot mistake.
justinbrain 2 ヶ月 前
Half of the pilot classwork must be in climatology and/or meteorology. So much to know.
Jim Caufman
Jim Caufman 4 ヶ月 前
Excellent report. As a retired 777 pilot I can see how this would happen. The reliance on automation was always a problem that our training department always covered during simulator sessions. One item not mentioned was engine noise. When the power is advanced to a high- power setting you can hear it quite well in the cockpit. Problem is in high stress situations the body starts to change in that your visibility starts to narrow (tunnel vision) and your hearing ability decreases. The stress of a low go-around which is one of the most dangerous procedures a flight crew can do would increase stress. I have witnessed many a time where pilots are affected by excessive stress while flying combat in a helicopter in Vietnam. I always briefed new pilot on this problem. After a while most pilots got use to the dangers of combat, so their stress levels dropped.
David Powell
David Powell 2 ヶ月 前
@Mark Hazeldine Just a few seconds after spool up should have been underway but wasn't the crash became inevitable? (Should have felt the lever not moving within a second of pushing "the button" though)?
Captain Steve
Captain Steve 3 ヶ月 前
@Carbon 12 There's never been a flawless pilot or airplane, and never will be. The key is to have priorities in order. Some things matter more than others (like adding power on a low go-around). A pilot must never allow a large mistake, especially a large one that isn't caught quickly. Thankfully, I can claim a perfect record in that. As far as the company training, sure, modify it. I agree there is too much reliance on automation. Regardless, that in no way removes responsibility from the pilot to fly the airplane safely. Training will never be perfect either. This should have easily been prevented by a skillful crew.
Carbon 12
Carbon 12 3 ヶ月 前
@Captain Steve The captain only had 7,500 hours and these accidents only happen on your worst day- otherwise we don't hear about it. If you have never missed anything in your 25,000 hours than that is fantastic, but it is beyond a reasonable expectation of a regular human. Admittedly it is a really big miss- but only for a few seconds. It seems like a poor company policy in my view considering how the system works- complete throttle automation except in this specific circumstance that is an emergency and we won't train you on it.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve 3 ヶ月 前
@Mark Hazeldine Of course the pilots should have noticed. Every action should be monitored to confirm that the airplane does what it's told. That's pilot 101. The crew failed at the most basic level. (Imma B777 captain with 25,000 hours).
Mark Hazeldine
Mark Hazeldine 3 ヶ月 前
I was going to say, wouldn't the pilots have noticed that there was no spool up sound and no feeling of acceleration (being pushed into their seat) from the TOGA thrust? But your explanation does make sense. I'm not a pilot, but I have definitely experienced moments of brain freeze in high stress situations.
Robert Davis
Robert Davis 3 ヶ月 前
Sadness for the firefighter who lost his life trying to save the lives of the people on the plane, and for the family he left behind. Even when it is "only one" there is heartbreak and sorrow. Sincere condolences to his loved ones. May he rest in peace.
Robert Davis
Robert Davis 3 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot Much appreciation for your channel and all your incites and comments. You are a pilot any passenger would feel glad to have in the cockpit.
Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot 3 ヶ月 前
Indeed 💕💕😔
Ken Brown
Ken Brown 4 ヶ月 前
this makes me think of an expression I was taught: "practice doesn't make perfect. practice only makes consistent." they had practiced, and everything they did up to realizing the throttles hadn't advanced was consistent with their practice. I seem to recall one of the big three aviation channels doing a clip about go-arounds and saying their training included pressing the TOGA buttons and then following the throttles with their hand to feel positive confirmation the throttles had advanced to TOGA.
Mark Freeman
Mark Freeman 9 日 前
ironically a newer noob pilot would have probably spotted this.
Ken Brown
Ken Brown 13 日 前
@the neon robot I'm not going to second guess the design since I'm not an aircraft engineer. But i know any change made to an existing aircraft has a ripple effect.
the neon robot
the neon robot 13 日 前
But what use is a TO/GA button if you have to follow the throttles with your hand anyway ?? Honestly it should either exist and do it’s job always or not exist at all, the middle ground is what caused this crash. Or at least there should be an audio warning when the button is pushed while AT is inhibited
Bharathi Ramanathan
Bharathi Ramanathan 2 ヶ月 前
Most of the pilots Have not flown aircrafts like manual 737..200 Before going to 737..800 Or 777.. That makes the big difference..
StDuz 4 ヶ月 前
A realtime replay with your commentary would be interesting to appreciate the swiftness of the accident sequence
MORENO K 🟥 2 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot Oh yeah you can read out the transcript with a friend while showing the POV of what both pilot monitoring and pilot flying would be looking at! That would give us non-pilots a "real"er sense into what pilots experience in these high workload situations
Richard Brown
Richard Brown 3 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot A super idea for the intro, and perhaps for the outro too, after we understand the cheese holes better.
Mentour Pilot
Mentour Pilot 4 ヶ月 前
Yes, that could be a good idea
Picco bow
Picco bow 2 ヶ月 前
This is so baffling to me. I may not be a pilot by any means nor do i have any deep knowledge on how a plane flies. But if you are on the freakin run way and very close to the tarmac WHY NOT FINISH THE LANDING if the winds are not doing any thing to the plane!! Ive experienced a lot of wind turbulance flying out of colorado springs in th USA and so concerned of it that passrngers around me said it is a common occurrence. These pilots couldnt handle some sweeping winds from the ground??
Brian Ginnow
Brian Ginnow 4 ヶ月 前
That’s really cool that you used to be an ARFF firefighter. I was trained in ARFF too but only after I started getting sick as a result of a toxic exposure while fighting a non ARFF related fire. Most people don’t fully recognize the dangers firefighters are exposed to and most other videos wouldn’t have mentioned those dangers. Thank you
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I'm constantly impressed by the airline industry's commitment and approach to safety. It's impressive how they take each individual incident, carefully investigate it, learn from it, and make meaningful changes that make every flight thereafter that much safer. So many things could benefit tremendously from applying that same approach.
James Barnes
James Barnes ヶ月 前
We are always being told how Boeing believe that having thrust levers that move adds to safety by avoiding any ambiguity about engine thrust settings, Airbus thrust levers are static. Yet here the Captain pushes buttons to select (or try to select) TOGA where a similar Airbus Captain would be expected to move the thrust levers to the TOGA detent. It seems in this situation Airbus have got the best system when it comes to removing any ambiguity about demanded thrust.
Ricky 4 ヶ月 前
I'm not a pilot, have very little interest in planes but absolutely love this channel. So much information, so much to learn. Thanks Mentour Pilot.
Robert N
Robert N 4 ヶ月 前
I believe that pilots should be taught that when they execute a go-around they should ALWAYS advance the thrust levers manually, EVEN if the TOGA switches are pushed.
Dillon Yang
Dillon Yang 3 ヶ月 前
That armchair must be Is tiring huh?
Joseph 2 ヶ月 前
well done, thank you for this illustration.
Joyce ヶ月 前
My heart sank when he said that they didn't even have 6 seconds for the engines to gain power. So glad everyone on board made it. Sorry for the loss of the brave firefighter; emergency workers truly do unbelievable work.
Michael 3 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot Petter, I hadn't realized what the term "Children of the Magenta Line" was until you mentioned it and I looked it up. Automation dependency indeed. My question is, are the newer generation of heavies so complex to fly that you can't even aviate without significant reliance upon the automation? I recently got into it with a commenter / troll on Kelsey's channel who said that automation is never the problem, it's always pilot error - "automation cannot go wrong, it's a computer" was his argument of the day. I've been a software developer for 30+ years, and 10 of that was writing software for integrated hardware systems (firmware). I'm quite aware of how stable these systems are, but to say they are "bug free" is definitely a rose-tinted philosophy. I'd love to know your take, as both pilot and instructor, on how realistic it would be to expect the current generation of heavy pilots to be able to fly their plane without most of the automation.
Craig Dillon
Craig Dillon 3 ヶ月 前
What is scary is that everything they did, when they did it, seemed logical, right, and proper. The pilots were not negligent, according to their training. In fact, it seems to me, it was their adherence to their training that contributed to the accident. This video was interesting, educational, and a bit frightening.
Hellenic Wolf
Hellenic Wolf ヶ月 前
Great work.
Yann Costantini
Yann Costantini 4 ヶ月 前
Demonstrating the efficiency of the aviation industry, this accident made us change the go-around procedure and the way we train in the sim in my company. Namely, from the "go-around" call to the "flags 20" call on the 747, we pause to make sure the thrust increases properly. May the firefighter RIP and I find flight attendants to do an amazing job.
Evgeny Korolev
Evgeny Korolev 4 ヶ月 前
What about the New York EK flight that almost smashed into a residential area in Dubai due to the crew overrelying on the automation? I'd really would love to see an episode about this incident
N ヶ月 前
As a former Cabin Crew member myself I can safely say that cabin crew are the most under-appreciated and under-valued on the planet relative to their true worth and capabilities. We are all trained to evacuate and capable of evacuating any aircraft of any size within 90 seconds of an evacuation order from the flight deck. I once had to halt our flight on the threshold of the runway because I saw the pax facing me in my jumpseat was having a stroke, that man survived and recovered to live again. Yet the pax in 3C who could see and hear the entire medical emergency unfold just 2 rows in front of him had the fucking audacity to complain to me (when I was securing the cabin for the 2nd time that night) that he was going to be late for his dinner reservation, luckily for me he had undone his seat belt while we were waiting for the paramedics to tend to the man that was having the stroke and all I needed to say to him was "sir please fasten your seat belt for departure, as I'm sure you can appreciate, the other passengers onboard are anxious to depart by now and won't appreciate any undue delays" was worth the look on that posh asshole's face to have said it as nice as I did coz he didn't know how to respond and didn't open his mouth for the entirety of the flight after that, RESULT 🎉🎉🙈🙈😂😂😂
Gustavo Sganzerla
Gustavo Sganzerla 3 ヶ月 前
I think this is an incredibly well done analysis of an extremely controversial accident. Greatly enjoyed watching this video! Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
Bret 2 ヶ月 前
I hope these pilots are still flying. I believe they were a professional crew that would have learned from this accident.
ellicel 4 ヶ月 前
I think there’s a common perception that accidents termed “pilot error” means that the pilots were incompetent or negligent, somehow irresponsible, and should never be allowed to fly. While we’ve certainly seen a few analysis videos on this channel where pilots were completely unprofessional, I think the majority really emphasize there’s always more to the story. In this case, although of course unfortunate and tragic, I can understand how the accident happened and can empathize. My heart goes out to the family of the firefighter and all others who were hurt. I’m sure none feel this more keenly than those officers who were responsible for the aircraft and passengers that day. Hopefully this report will help to keep others safe.
DC Paradox
DC Paradox 3 ヶ月 前
@DAFT VADER I'm aware how you spot a disengaged autothrottle and so is _every_ 777 pilot. Nobody is arguing that the accident pilots didn't make mistakes. But if their training emphasizes the use of autothrottle for a GA as opposed to manually advancing the thrust levers, it's gonna have an impact on the pilots actions in an emergency situation. You go on and on about very basic things such as mode annunciations as if nobody has seen a PFD before. Are you suggesting that only incompetent pilots make mistakes? Because that'd be ludicrous. Having a distinctive warning sound when the system rejects your input is interface design 101. All _good_ interfaces are designed like that. And if your interface happens to be in an airplane, the question isn't if there is _any_ feedback, because there always is, but if it's enough to alert you in a high-stress situation. By your logic, we might as well abandon stick shakers because stalls are so obvious. You seem to completely disregard stress and surprise as factors which is _not_ how the real world works. Come back when you've educated yourself beyond basic systems knowledge. P.S.: you don't need to write a million replies to say the same thing; one will suffice if you reply to the OP. And you still have the option to tag specific people if you feel the need.
@Charles Borlase Charles I can assure you ....YOU KNOW. The noise ! The nose pitching up from the underslung power! The increase energy in the system! ! The power levers moving forward rapidly taking your hand along!! The vertical speed indicator showing climb !! On the B747 one push of the go around paddle gives you about 2000 ft per min. Two pushes....you go up like a lift. Off you go !! BASICS!! POWER and PITCH. Brain Height Airspeed. .. You see...unbelievably some people don't even look at their airspeed. ... Then you crash !!!
@iainathairydog Absolute rubbish. ..no basic airmanship. You just need POWER and PITCH. They had NO POWER in a perfectly serviceable aircraft.
@Luke Thompson Under certification the thrust available is sufficient to meet go around parameters on any type. That is if you bother to select it when it is fully available under your hand !!! More irrelevant excuses ??
@Richard Smeets The aircraft was perfectly serviceable. Both pilots did not move the serviceable power levers forward when they did not move on a go around. .. Basics to fly... You need POWER and PITCH. They did not have POWER that was fully available under the Captain's hand. How do you train for that???
Michael Rommel
Michael Rommel 4 ヶ月 前
Thank you, Petter, for your excellent work to tell us this story and its analysis, as always! Just one remark. I think this accident would not have happened on an airbus plane in exactly the same situation, simply by the design of the TOGA switch. I never understood why Boeing needs an extra switch for full thrust.
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Steven Don
Steven Don 3 ヶ月 前
So incredibly sad that the firefighter died. I have tremendous respect for first responders and others who put their own lives on the line to help others. When tragedy strikes, may they rest in peace and their sacrifices be honoured and remembered.
steffen holzt
steffen holzt 4 ヶ月 前
I watched it to the end and I understand the reasons and the process. Whilst engines spool up and you probably do not hear this too well in the cockpit it still amazes me that buttons replace thrust levers. Bottom line is you need power urgently you push the levers into the metal. That’s what you learn in flight school in your second lesson.
Nicolas Zart
Nicolas Zart 3 ヶ月 前
It's an interesting turn of events as pilots are required to trust training and instruments more than flying, I'm talking about the older pilots here. I know a few pilots who are ready to walk away from flying. Some of them told me they are not supposed to fly manually anymore and that the company's insurance mandates flying automatically at all times when possible. It sounds as if pilots have fewer opportunities to fly and gain experience, relying more on procedures and instruments. We need to strike a better medium between both ways.
paolo brandellero
paolo brandellero 4 ヶ月 前
Thank you Petter for the thought-provoking information, moral integrity, genuine passion. An example!
Captain Steve
Captain Steve 3 ヶ月 前
This is another of a long list of crashes significantly caused by pilots' overreliance on automation coming back to bite them. It happens on Boeing and Airbus. In training and real-life conditions, on the B777, I always pushed the thrust levers manually and let the autothrottles follow and set the position.
Marc Simon
Marc Simon 2 ヶ月 前
Interesting enough…at time 17:50 when the wind suddenly changed to headwind and the IAS started increasing, obviously the wings were given more energy at this point which caused the floating effect but at the same time the groundspeed would have likely decreased which could have helped to diminished the float but in the end it didn’t…
Gabriela Ioachim
Gabriela Ioachim 3 ヶ月 前
Thanks for all of the effort you put into these videos. They've been a fantastic source of education since you take the time to explain a lot of interesting details about the way certain systems on these aircraft work. I've been going through a lot of these lately for both entertainment and learning. I also really appreciate that you present the information facts first without manufactured drama, but are still sensitive to loss of life and injuries in the accidents.
LizCaitlin 4 ヶ月 前
I'm always so impressed by flight/cabin crew. They all work so hard to get it right. And when things can go so wrong in a just a few seconds, the margin for error is really a knife edge.
Jackie 2 ヶ月 前
There’s not a lot of fenders bender in plane crashes
Jackie 2 ヶ月 前
I’m shocked so many survived! Pilots did something right when all fire around them
razvanlex 2 ヶ月 前
@George Sidor Yes, they are safer than any form of transportation. Personally, I prefer being dead from an airplane crash than crippled by a car or train wreck or in a wheelchair thrown by a horse. Yes, people are scared because in a crash it takes a while to hit the ground, in a car wreck is instant, sometimes you never know what hit you.
George Sidor
George Sidor 2 ヶ月 前
@razvanlex People love to say how safe airplanes and flying is. That's actually not true. Flying is extremely dangerous, compared to walking or driving, or riding a horse, etc. What we've done with flying and airplanes is spend boatloads of money to refine the technology, and spent lots of time training pilots on previous accidents to avoid future ones. Lots of blood, sweat, tears and money have been spent to make flying "safer". But the in flying, the consequences of mistakes are dramatically worse.
Bill Pennock
Bill Pennock 3 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot I'm not sure how it could be made more prominent but I doubt if 1 in 100 passengers actually hear the instruction NOT to take your bags in an emergency evacuation. I wonder if a sentence could be constructed that was short enough to fit in the announcements along the lines of "you will be reunited with your luggage if it survives, if you try to take it and it would not have survived you might be responsible for your own or others deaths in the fire". Or maybe a tape that could be run when an evacuation was likely that said "if an evacuation is necessary we need everyone out of the airplane in 90 seconds, if you try to get your luggage you might hold someone else up past 90 seconds and they might die". Of course as the plane is scraping along the runway maybe it's a different one . Loudly "Do Not Take Your Carry Ons, Everyone wants out" repeated. Not sure in the high workload stress environment who would flip the switch :) Am I being stupid here.
l2etranger 4 ヶ月 前
Forces of nature, it’s always humbling and fascinating to realize how powerless we are when we face climate or environmental phenomena that challenge our reflexes under complex situations. I do hope that they went back to work after some counseling and time off.
Ehtesham Sajed
Ehtesham Sajed 2 ヶ月 前
Every time I watch these investigations, gives me a sense of respect to all the pilots and the cabin crews. I understand, how difficult it gets within seconds. Handling a large number of passengers with different mind sets- is one of the toughest jobs on earth.
WowIndescribable 3 ヶ月 前
Absolutely incredible story and presentation, Petter. Thank you. It is a credit to all the crew that things were not much worse. Big jet safety has come a long way, but things can still happen. It still amazes me how complex and non-intuitive flying is, relying so much on human memory and reactions. It seems like there should be far more automation for much of this. Perhaps it is coming.
LebeBunt ヶ月 前
I am no Pilote whatsoever but whats been coming up again for me is: If you push that button it does this but not when that is, and its again different if you pushed that before, and this those that but only if you pushed these 2 buttons etc etc. So Pilots basicaly have only mere seconds and the systems not 100% will do the same if you push something because everything is so complex interconectet with each other.
Jani Poutanen
Jani Poutanen 26 日 前
I agree. Systems feel way too complicated to the "end user"
Chisco Williams
Chisco Williams 4 ヶ月 前
Great video as always. Surprising the Captain didn’t push the Thrust levers to TO/GA during go-around but relied on the switches without double checking. Their training was a major factor here. I think On Airbus,one have to manually push the levers to TOGA detent.
falcon35180 3 ヶ月 前
@Carbon 12 That is, in fact, exactly how an OS running on a uniprocessor computer system multitasks - only with much higher speed and accuracy than humans!
Carbon 12
Carbon 12 3 ヶ月 前
ATC call really didn't help- and the difficulty of the control. Humans can't actually multitask, instead relying on moving from one thought to another- so even having the hand on it you have higher priority risks to think, "oh my hand hasn't moved"
Mejren Gaming
Mejren Gaming 3 ヶ月 前
Wind shear can be insanely tricky at times, I struggled during flight training on a few hot summer days. What those pilots did was no small feat, they literally encountered wind changes at the most critical phases of landing. Thanks for the coverage.
They did as trained and the training had a blind spot. Sad to see an accident and death happen to catch it, but it takes review of the system, as you say. Your full exploration of the system failure causing the accident is why I like watching these videos.
Be Mist
Be Mist 4 ヶ月 前
Superb presentation. As always. Please consider doing an analysis of Air India 101 approaching JFK on Sep 11, 2018, with loss of several instruments, so he was unable to do an instrument landing, ceiling was too low to do a visual landing, and weather was no better within remaining fuel range after a 14-hour flight. Other channels explain what happened (happy ending), but they don't explain the cascading instrument failures that created the difficult situation.
Helena Franzén
Helena Franzén 4 ヶ月 前
I really like the no-blame culture in aviation industry. Pilots actually did everything right due to their training, so when something happens very quickly that is out of the ordinary its easy to forget details and make mistakes. Big shout out to the professionalism of the cabin crew and rest in peace to the unfortunate firefighter that lost his life. Dangerous job that is not appreciated as much as it should be.
TerryTheNewsGirl 2 ヶ月 前
@Captain Steve Exactly what I was saying.
James Taylor
James Taylor 3 ヶ月 前
@Captain Steve So it was just a dumb pilot? How do we use this to prevent similar accidents in the future? "Don't hire dumb pilots" begs the question how we can better identify them. The accident report made a number of recommendations to improve safety, which is the goal of a safety culture.
@Captain Steve Dear Captain What a breath of fresh air.. You summed up the accident perfectly without all the smoke and mirrors. ....and pathetic excuses. The best comment here and totally sums up the total incompetence , ignorance and lack of airmanship of this appalling crew who lacked any basic CRM and SOP I have a similar background to you....with B747-400.
eixseven 3 ヶ月 前
@Captain Steve i fly planes on vrchat in a femboy avatar and i know better than you
Captain Steve
Captain Steve 3 ヶ月 前
@George Atha It's common sense, which is uncommon. eg: When you put the gear lever down, you always confirm the gear goes down and locks. No different with auto-flight systems. When you select an action, you confirm the action occurs. A well-trained and competent pilot will feel the thrust response and the non-flying pilot will confirm it with the gauges. This was a huge fail on the pilot's part.
tyler morgan
tyler morgan 2 ヶ月 前
Great video as always. Small suggestion…. The “This episode references post accident fatalities” notice at 0:43 was really small. I noticed it and had to rewind and pause to read it. If you want people to see it as more than “small print” That’s easy to overlook… You may want to consider making it a bit bigger and giving it a background or something similar. It doesn’t need to be too big but it’s pretty small in the corner of the video on a phone which is how most people watch these videos I assume. Just a thought!
Cj Perlotto
Cj Perlotto 4 ヶ月 前
I love how each video is consistent. It always has that great beginning to pull you in and great info as if you were boarding the flight... I don't know how to say it, but these videos give me serotonin and I look forward to sitting down and watching these after a long day at work. It feels like I am learning many key takeaways, and almost like I would know the answer to any problem that may arise in the cockpit and 'save the day' lmao (obvi not). Thank you for all that you do!
Drip Mario
Drip Mario 3 ヶ月 前
I’m so glad I was recommended this channel. It’s so much better than those air disaster shows that used to be on Discovery channel. Great use of MSFS too. Loved this
FCB43ver 4 ヶ月 前
The fact that ALL passengers and crew members survived is a miracle.
Xo Summers
Xo Summers 29 日 前
From Allah the almighty
FCB43ver ヶ月 前
@ssiemniak I'm sure the passengers and crew would strongly disagree with you
ssiemniak ヶ月 前
I think there were far worse crashes and people survived. This actually doesn't seem like a miracle at all
Sharon Cassell
Sharon Cassell 3 ヶ月 前
I would not have stowed the hear that early on toga.
Serious Cat
Serious Cat 3 ヶ月 前
At the beginning of the video Petter did not warn about casualties, so I somehow expected that.
Harry Ruzgerian
Harry Ruzgerian 4 ヶ月 前
These aircraft have become so complex with so many systems, and interacting with one another. Pilots are trained to turn dials and throw switches and 99 percent of the time the aircraft responds appropriately. But when the wheels touched, disabling the TOGO switch, there were only a few short seconds to react. I’m not a pilot but I think the plane was more to blame here than the pilots. Maybe add an audio alert when the landing gear touches, the pilots hear a loud “contact”
Mike Harris
Mike Harris 4 ヶ月 前
the "floating" effect happens all the time when I head home from locations. Home being in Phoenix in the summer, where temps are normal over 115° F... had a few go arounds too due to the plane not touching down due to heat pockets.
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Gustavo Sganzerla
Gustavo Sganzerla 3 ヶ月 前
Peter, thank you for such a well-made analysis of a very controversial accident. One question: how many 777 PIC hours did the captain have? You mentioned his total time in type, but how many of those hours were in command? Thanks.
SI Tech Ca
SI Tech Ca 4 日 前
Thanks for the video, great detailed explanation and visualization. As an engineer, I can't comprehend Boeing's TO/GA switch design. Why make the pilot hit a switch on the throttle and hope for some automation to push the throttle to max instead of simply having the pilot push the throttles to the max or TO/GA detent (like Airbus)? Either case consumes 1 action, so the TO/GA switch brings no benefit.
S T 4 ヶ月 前
I WILL NEVER understand why people believe their carry on bags are more important than the lives of others!
Mark Freeman
Mark Freeman 9 日 前
@Faraz Alam yes exactly, ppl have been trained or conditioned, that documents are more important that lives.
Mark Freeman
Mark Freeman 9 日 前
nobody trains for a plane crash, if ppl are stuck on a burning plane, with exits blocked, what else are they going to do? things are comfort blankets to humans.
Khyrya Hamdan
Khyrya Hamdan 9 日 前
@Secretlyanothername the solution is banning carry-on luggages completely.
Khyrya Hamdan
Khyrya Hamdan 9 日 前
@Faraz Alam essential documents and passport doesn't need a luggage! A small purse or cross-body bag is more than enough!!
fhhsvnggbh 29 日 前
thats why you keep your passports on you. get them before landing and takeoff. simple.
Rhea Summer
Rhea Summer ヶ月 前
If people kept trying to get their bags while the plane was in fire and me and my familys lifes are at risk, made worse because of the idiots grabbing their bags and slowin down time, once I am on the grid and see those idiots I am fighting them. How dare they. Our lives and other passengers lives are more important than their bags and convenience.
John Rayner
John Rayner 3 ヶ月 前
As others have said, having automatic override systems on an aircraft, without making sure the pilots know how and when it may be necessary to disable them, does not fill me with confidence, at all. Is this the manufacturer's fault or the airline's fault? I don't know. But until I do, I'll be making my travel arrangements cautiously. Great video as ever. Thanks
Plasmaburndeath 4 ヶ月 前
I still think having several one time emergency use mini booster rockets would be worth it, don't have to go overboard, but just needs to give another 50knots of thrust faster than engine spool can in one of those "Crap" moments. - wouldn't be a high G load either, but would buy time for main turbines to spool up in moments like this.
david mangold
david mangold 3 ヶ月 前
Great explanation and coverage of this accident. I fault Emirates’ policy, regarding keeping the auto throttles armed. In windy/tailwind/wind shear situations, auto throttle and autopilot off, and be a pilot who makes whatever is necessary, happen! When pressing TOGA switches, do it twice and shove the thrust levers full forward. The pilot monitoring puts his hand at the base of the thrust levers, and follows forward with the pilot flying-or pushing forward if not die by autothrottles or the pilot flying! I have 18,000 hours in the Boeing 767, 28,000 hours total, flying also DC9, MD80, and 727’s.
Trout 4 ヶ月 前
The more I watch of your videos the more I'm impressed by *just how much* stuff a pilot of an airliner needs to know and do to fly safely. And all within seconds as well sometimes.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve 3 ヶ月 前
@NicolaW72 True. Piloting is challenging. Unfortunately, the airlines no longer want to hire the best pilots. They only want to fill their woke race and gender quotas. Danger ahead.
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
Craig McAllister
Craig McAllister 4 ヶ月 前
These videos are great (high production value and tons of information) and I look forward to each one but I can't help feeling more and more like they glaze over a lot of poor performance in the cockpit. Here we have two guys with thousands of hours between them and neither noticed the wheels touching down or the throttles not advancing or the engines not spooling up. Sure it happened fast but I want better stick and rudder pilot and less button pushers/system monitors, which they failed at that even. Many comments seem to want more automation or blame the systems for not telling the pilots that the wheels touched the ground or the throttles didn't advance. Which, didn't he have his hand on the throttles anyway? And the plane did tell them with a big IDLE, they just didn't bother looking at it. Do we have to keep increasing automation to the point where pilots will be obsolete? I hope not. At the end of the day these guys didn't push the gas and the plane fell out of the sky. I want more out of my pilots. And needing to design a plane that beeps to remind the guys up front to push the gas seems really frightening to me.
Gérard Falquet
Gérard Falquet 4 ヶ月 前
Great analysis and presentation, as usual ! As an outsider, I’m always surprised to see that the companies define their own procedures, in this case for go-around. One could expect that the aircraft manufacturer and their test pilots define THE correct/safest procedure for each situation.
O’Mally 4 ヶ月 前
Thanks for the absolutely amazing story detail and retelling of an investigation final report! Team MP is becoming better and better at bringing these stories to life with amazing design, animation, and flight simulator work!!
Andrew Jonkers
Andrew Jonkers 3 ヶ月 前
I just watched this after watching the latest video talking Tom Scott to a landing... Both showed me how a reliance on trained procedure and muscle memory is both unavoidable and vital to aircraft safety. It is unrealistic to expect pilots to be able to fault find/diagnose on the fly under high workload - especially when there is already a cognitive disconnect between what the pilot is expecting and what is happening. Looking back on this video two key points stand out to me - the lack of procedure confirming thrust after TOGA. And the lack of a clear cockpit warning of TOGA inhibits after attempting activation. This last point just baffles me given TOGA is such a time critical operation where everything has to work as expected, guaranteed, no questions asked.
moudoka 4 ヶ月 前
What constantly impresses me about your videos, is how so many people of varying nationalities, races, etc can all come together and form universal rules for flight to ensure the safety of all people. Your highlighting the incidents and accidents really shows how well we can all get along as people on this little blue world. Great work!
Chryst Pick
Chryst Pick 2 ヶ月 前
If only this could happen In other areas of life.
Alexander Lindbäck
Alexander Lindbäck 4 ヶ月 前
This is about air planes and how it works, not about humanity for the love of GOD, Stop being a karen for just one fucking second XD
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
@Starflame Indeed, exactly.💛👍
gnarth d'arkanen
gnarth d'arkanen 4 ヶ月 前
@lies, all lies. Call it gravity, aerodynamic instability, imminent crash and a fiery death... You'd be surprised just how motivated people get when they face an imminent fiery death (as in "within the next minute or two")... They very quickly put personal sh*t aside and try working together to avoid that. What sucks is that it generally seems to take something just that clear-cut and immediate to actually motivate them past the usual petty bitching and whining about having to put up with each other... most of the time. ;o)
lies, all lies.
lies, all lies. 4 ヶ月 前
@gnarth d'arkanen what's the the unilateral enemy here, gravity? Lol.
LoupIng 4 ヶ月 前
The exterior view are amazing, which addon his using to do these awesome cinematic view ?
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scottcol23 2 ヶ月 前
Absolutely amazing video! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I cannot fathom why people try to get their luggage in an evacuation. Nothing in your luggage is worth dying over. I would not want to be stuck behind a group of people fumbling with the overhead luggage compartment because they are worried about loosing hair dryer and shampoo. I also would not care if there was not a slide to exit on. I would just drop down and go. Id rather die trying that die because I was too afraid to jump out. I know its a 10 ft drop. but it can be done.
mon_avis 2 ヶ月 前
Brace yourself for an onslaught of posts arguing on behalf of people who put their passports and vital meds in their carry-on bags.
Retro Jack
Retro Jack 3 ヶ月 前
The quality of your animations is amazing and really helps us non-pilots better visualise things - thank you for all the effort you put into these videos!
David P
David P 4 ヶ月 前
Very thorough description of the incident. You all do such a great job.
Nathaniel A
Nathaniel A 4 ヶ月 前
Cheers to the cabin crew! This is a reminder to us all that their job isn’t only to serve us food and drinks in flight and hence they must be treated well and recognized more especially in these times that there’s a shortage of them in some if not most airlines. Also as usual, excellent job, Petter for this video - always informative!
Brigette McDonald
Brigette McDonald 3 ヶ月 前
The drinks and service are just a courtesy, their entire job and training are focused on safety in the air and during emergencies.
Kenionatus Kenionatus
I get your point, but I'd like to point out that people who "just" serve food and drink deserve to be treated well too. Low technical requirements of someone's job shouldn't be grounds to treat them like lesser humans.
Natalie Johnson
Natalie Johnson 4 ヶ月 前
I would like to thank you for all of the information you always provide in all of your videos. And how you always state that your videos are not meant blame any one, they are meant to teach and help make situations safer. Please keep up your good work!
Robert Mclaren
Robert Mclaren 4 ヶ月 前
Truly an unfortunate accident, and I honestly feel for everyone involved! I'm not terrified of flying, but I know mistakes happen, and that what gets my nerves in a twist!
arunta5 4 ヶ月 前
Very interesting report thank you. Do you know what action was taken by Emirates regarding the two pilots involved? Emirates seems to have regular issues that just should not occur with a major airline with five star rating.
Az Za
Az Za ヶ月 前
My wifes brother was first officer on this flight
giomar89 4 ヶ月 前
It's good that the final report brought up elements that emphasised that the pilots acted according to their training. I can't imagine how guilty they would have felt otherwise. (before anybody comes to tell me they should have monitored thrust better, yes, of course they should. We all should perform perfectly in our jobs. Unfortunately, being human is kinda of a handicap for that, as this video illustrates by pointing out how limited our attention is, how easily we rely on technology and automatisation, and how easily training can makes us slightly inflexible)
judy francis
judy francis 3 ヶ月 前
@GoCoyote Just saw your comment. Btw, it's "spell check".😉😆
GoCoyote 4 ヶ月 前
@judy francis This is what happens when we rely on automated spellchecking :)
judy francis
judy francis 4 ヶ月 前
I thought this comment was very well-worded, capturing an unfortunate, yet unavoidable, truth. Btw, it's simply "automation".
GoCoyote 4 ヶ月 前
Exactly! Even without any negligent actions, or known negligent actions, we will all make mistakes based on assumptions. Many years ago I was told by a woman I met at a trade show, who claimed to be a grandchild of the engineer who created the adages that we call "Murphys Laws," that the reason he created them was to help prevent engineering mistakes by assuming things would always go wrong if they can, rather than assume that all of your careful systems would work or function properly in all situations. This accident shows what can happen when we find out the "something" that went wrong.
143DREWID 4 ヶ月 前
Now people walk/run/bike on the wrong side of the road, do not look before crossing, and have phone in face. Pretty sure the training may be absent for the underlings ! ;-)
cantfindmykeys 4 ヶ月 前
My friend travels the world as a performer and he told me about the time he flew into some sort of huge crater in a small passenger plane, I think in Nepal (?) but it was a crazy flight because of the approach and how the pilots had to avoid the rugged landscape around the small landing strip. So the night before he was due to fly out very early in the morning, he went to a bar to have a drink and shoot some pool. There were two guys already playing but they invited him to play several games and they had lots of drinks and my friend wanted to get some rest before his early flight. The hour was very late and the 2 guys wanted to keep playing and drinking but my friend said No thanks and went back to his hotel. The next morning at dawn he boarded the small plane and was a little apprehensive about flying over the treacherous landscape again when he heard someone call his name from the cockpit. It was the 2 guys from the bar sitting in the pilot and copilot seats.
RickyLourenco 4 ヶ月 前
the pilot pushed the TOGA buttons, pitched the plane up, retracted the landing gear. You’d think the software would pick up on this and say, hey I think the pilot wants to take off, maybe the engines shouldn’t be on idle. Good code can save a lot of trouble.
Jaime Roman
Jaime Roman 3 ヶ月 前
Amazing video and analysis. I’m not a pilot I simply love travel. The extent of knowledge and training and expertise involved in your profession is amazing and awesome. Your dedication is absolutely incredible. I just love it. Thank you.
Zane A
Zane A 3 ヶ月 前
Thank you for these new type of accidents videos without the thumbnails with a stupid face and also thanks for not doing all the crazy editing with your face and reaction things you did back in the day. This is exactly the content we want, factual, precise, objective with an immense level of detail and explaination from an engineering and pilot point of view. Also great visuals and great storytelling. It feels serious and mature just how these videos should be
Stewi 4 ヶ月 前
One of the biggest things I've learned from your channel is that pilots are humans and our safety doesn't just come from them. It comes from an entire industry which, among many things, understands pilots are human and works around these unavoidable realities. I really truly feel so safe when flying from everything I've learned - not just understanding the statistics, but really feeling and taking to heart the plethora of steps taken for every contingency.
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
i_am_hydraa 4 ヶ月 前
For me it is astounding the number of things that can go wrong. Before it goes terribly wrong
Niinsa62 ヶ月 前
Okay, if I understood this right, the flight crew had just a few seconds to realize that the TOGA buttons didn't work the way they had been taught in training. They followed company procedure, letting the computers help with flying, and realized fairly quickly that this wasn't working as expected, and started flying manually instead. But those seconds lost meant that it was too late. So sad, especially about that firefighter who lost his life.
Péter Balogh
Péter Balogh 4 ヶ月 前
This one was good! I feel like it is a good story to learn from. But the 777... :-/ That is the only big boy I had luck to be a passenger of, and I love it...
Cur M
Cur M 3 ヶ月 前
Every time I see one of these videos there is an increase in my flying comfort. Each takeoff and landing is backed by the knowledge gained from the tragic outcomes covered. Knowing that, I am a far more comfortable flyer than I might have otherwise been.
StefanGT 3 ヶ月 前
But the most important question remains unanswered: did they manage to bring all the luggage from the overhead bins to safety?
Tina 4 ヶ月 前
It is amazing that there was only one fatality - may the firefighter RIP. This is an unrelated thought, but it’s hard for me to think of 120 F as being compatible with human life, let alone with actually working to fight a fire. I would think I had stepped out into Hell itself.
Carbon 12
Carbon 12 3 ヶ月 前
@Emerson Garcia It snows in Egypt and reaches similar temperatures.
Elessar Telcontar
Elessar Telcontar 4 ヶ月 前
It would get to 120°F or higher in Oklahoma. True misery! I moved.
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
@Federico Price I can imagine that.
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
Yes, indeed.
iWatchWithNoAds 4 ヶ月 前
@Mentour Pilot I think it would be a good idea to honour the martyr by at least naming him. When there are a few casualties you can easily mention their name, not just numbers
frollard 4 ヶ月 前
Thank you again for sharing. Your lessons have made me better understand the pitfalls in my tangential career.
NicolaW72 4 ヶ月 前
Thank you very much for this very lucide analysis. It´s indeed easy - too easy - to blame the pilots instead of looking what actually happened and what whole were at what points in the Swiss Cheese in such a sad accident.
AlTheEngineer 4 ヶ月 前
I'm always stunned by the lack of feedback in many aircraft systems (or the fact that they TURN OFF) ... it seems like a really easy thing to implement .... a BASIC warning to the pilot that HEY DUDE "you are climbing with NO thrust!" or "YOU HIT TOGA AND YOU HAVE NO THRUST" .... From a software developer perspective ... ANY system change (let alone a MAJOR one) warrants a notification! Honestly, there is so much tech that can be used here to improve airplanes in situations like this ... I'm always amazed at the lack of tech in cockpit / flight control systems. So many of these accidents on this channel can be solved with tech ... most basic tech, really.
Robert Menzies
Robert Menzies 4 ヶ月 前
Yet another fantastic video. I am not a pilot but I am a pre Covid frequent flyer and love all of your stories and investigation reviews. Have been watching your channel for some time and all your videos are a priority watch the moment I see the notification.
HOW could they let it GO THIS FAR?!
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