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Trope Talk: Tournament Arcs

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It's an anime staple! It's… kind of controversial! Let's unpack what's up with the tournament arc and then listen to me ramble about tournaments I liked for over half the video! Yaaaaay~

What's your favorite tournament arc, and your least favorite PART of any given tournament arc?

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E T
E T 日 前
Is it just me focusing on Mozart (?) playing in the background? Apart from that, fun video as usual.
Th'kaal
Th'kaal 2 日 前
And yet.....no mention of Speed Racer?
Th'kaal
Th'kaal 2 日 前
This....this is not the tournament I was looking for.
Andy Campa
Andy Campa 3 日 前
It's sad 'cause MHA omega F'd up this last Arc (stars and stripes)
Ironic Dutch Moonshade
After Red coughed and said "oh god" at 16:24 I immediately got an ad for soda. Sometimes JPvid just gets it right.
Floyd Kavanagh
Floyd Kavanagh 5 日 前
Ninjago tournament of elements
chris culbertson
Passing this in my feed again for some reason I feel the wish to comment that Kuwabara looks pretty dope in the thumbnail Dunno why I just always thought he looked good in the Dark Tournament. Random thumbnail commenter awaaaay!
Golden Reflection
I've never seen MHA. Why do there seem to be 3 names for the main character?
Vanguard Rusty
Vanguard Rusty 9 日 前
"equal rights equal fights!" -bakugo, equality connoisseur
TheYeetler
TheYeetler 12 日 前
"god i hope is stays good" im so sorry i really hope youre okay these days
WreckinPoints11
WreckinPoints11 16 日 前
So Sun Wukong is the original Shonen protagonist?
lorenzo càssaro
lorenzo càssaro 17 日 前
"If the audience can tell who's gonna win the tournament before the arc even gets going" People of the internet, don't try to deny it, that's exactly how we felt for the Raitai in Baki
Raven the Dragon
Raven the Dragon 18 日 前
I don’t like that tournaments are often used as an excuse to make the main character Actually Lose something. I’m basic. I like seeing the main guy win.
Nolan McBride
Nolan McBride 18 日 前
So I recently started watching Yu Yu Hakusho after having put it on my list back when this Trope Talk first came out. I’m about 24 episodes in. On one hand, I’m really enjoying it. On the other, there are definitely some parts that have not aged well, to put it mildly
daniel Jeje
daniel Jeje 3 日 前
Manga aged better I think
ミタブ・ミフレフ
In one of my books i did a tournent arc were 8 wanted to explore some chractors and also show of some chractors power lavel One chractor who was the main focus in that arc join the Tournament becuse he wanted revenge from that dude who killed his whole village or something another chractor joined becuse he thought it would be a nice Training and the main cast wanted that woman who runs the place dead becuse resaons and after i finished the chractors exploration thing instad of just ending the arc like any normal person i made one chractor who's Nicknamed {the unchained wolf} say "fuck the system" and turned the Whole place into a war zone and i used that to show how strong the wolf is Tl'dr a Tournament happened then shit hit the fan
HumanAki
HumanAki 19 日 前
SPOILEEEEEEERRRRRRRSSSS!! 😭😭😭
Spikey Sings
Spikey Sings 19 日 前
Oh my god I truly never noticed that all might is a complete old shounen character to a T He is buff,overpowered and likes to basically yell out his niceness in a very humble way He doesn't take popularity to his head and he praise nearly everything deku does even if it harms deku himself Before season 3 of course
Spikey Sings
Spikey Sings 19 日 前
Mortal Kombat:all tournament arc and occasional filler arcs
AlphaBlaze22
AlphaBlaze22 25 日 前
Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament stands head and shoulders over the rest. I love to see some violence and enjoy seeing the gang take pride in killing people who pissed them off.
Wesly Z
Wesly Z 26 日 前
Rip Chris Ayers. He fulfilled his mentor arc.
Green Bean
Green Bean 26 日 前
You're good at what you do. I mean it. Possibly the best on this shitty website.
Håvard Meistad
Håvard Meistad 27 日 前
The final tournament of the YuYu Hakusho manga was really interesting as well. Mostly because it got cut off about mid-way to the question "how did that tournament end anyway?" What happened was that all the strongest fighters met in the beginning, then went to their next fights tired and lost and a few iterations of this later and a rather insignificant character won with absolutely nothing worth screen time since the half-way point. Really strange in *so* many ways, I just love how it messed with the expectations even more that MHA's tournament arc.
Woke Dog
Woke Dog 27 日 前
Who would win? Years of physical, mental, and emotional abuse One little green shit
PokeyScorpion82
PokeyScorpion82 29 日 前
2:20 Using Seven Deadly Sins as an example is kinda ironic because not only is the object in question not a MacGuffin, the main characters were going to end up with it regardless with or without the tournament (probably via Diane getting impatient and just leaving with it) Not to mention that it's not even really a tournament arc, it's maybe three episodes long and doesn't really serve any purpose besides introducing Cain and his prior connection to Meliodas. Otherwise, it's just an excuse for Ban and Meliodas to kick the shit out of each other for no reason besides the raw funsies
The Radioactive Player
I think, of all the things I've watched, Kengan Ashura has the single worst tournament arc. It is just _so_ boring after a while, and the audience expectations get subverted so often that you know within 10 minutes of a character's appearance whether they'll win or not. My genuine favourite character was a fisherman who appeared in one episode, died in that episode, and was never mentioned again. Why? Because he was the most compelling human being in the entire show. Bearing in mind _the actual main character_ is less interesting than this one middle-aged rural fisherman. That is how *_staggeringly_* boring Kengan Ashura gets.
Pannacotta Fugo
Pannacotta Fugo 29 日 前
Black Clover has what I think to be the best tournament arc I’ve seen. Also, gotta admit, Record of Ragnarok is a great manga that is just one massive tournament arc.
LuigiBoi42
LuigiBoi42 ヶ月 前
God I love how ridiculous *My Hero Academia* is.
Zach Fogle
Zach Fogle ヶ月 前
Grand magic games is the best arc in all of fiction u can’t prove me wrong
Anna_ in_Aotearoa
Would've been interesting to see this trope explored outside of the anime space...? It's super-prominent in the early Harry Potter books for example.
Lie_Little_Lion
Lie_Little_Lion ヶ月 前
I'd like to say that Ninjago does an incredible tournament arc. There are many protagonists that lose and get their powers stolen and many plot twists. For example, the main protagonist loses. This allows the antagonist to start a spell that transforms his cult into snakes. It also has a good explanation as to why the protagonists don't cheat. I highly reccoment it for anyone who's bored over a weekend!
tristancalverley
tristancalverley ヶ月 前
Please watch JoJo's
Adam Rosenberg
Adam Rosenberg ヶ月 前
I'd say Cradle's Uncrowned and Wintersteel have an excellent example of a tournament done right.
all4ourking1
all4ourking1 ヶ月 前
@Overly Sarcastic Productions I haven't been watching My Hero Academia, but I watched this video last week and decided to give it a chance. By the end of episode 13 I was hooked. Now even knowing how the tournament arc plays out because of this video, it is absolutely electrifying. I think it shows just how well executed this tournament arc is that despite knowing the outcome is going to subvert the trope, it still feels epic. Truly masterful. Thank you for the recommendation!
Vocal
Vocal ヶ月 前
I remember when my DM tried to run a tournament arc, and we played along. At first. Then I tried to steal the Maguffin that was being offered as a prize between matches. Which led to finding out it was a decoy and the real Maguffin was on the (evil) tournament organizer. Who we then attacked and bypassed a whole plot point by skipping right to the boss fight.
Night Sky
Night Sky ヶ月 前
Gigguk has entered the chat
Frozen Eevee
Frozen Eevee ヶ月 前
Tournament arks are great when done in a way that's entertaining to watch.
Gau28
Gau28 ヶ月 前
18:00 no comments
Parth Bansal
Parth Bansal ヶ月 前
I never realised Gen Kai was voiced by an Intergalatic genocide addicted Tyrant
DJCooL4
DJCooL4 2 ヶ月 前
The fact you didn't have gigguk yell tournament arc once makes me sad
aryan kala
aryan kala 2 ヶ月 前
i just loved that she used a team four star video: either loosen your moral code or stop hinging the fate of the world on death matches
zeb jensen
zeb jensen 2 ヶ月 前
The only torni arc ill have in my work is one that has the MC's watching a torni like it's a national sport and the actual arc is mostly the stuff going on behind the scenes and them arguing over who will win.
pheonixlord 255
pheonixlord 255 2 ヶ月 前
I know this is an old video,but i want a fairly high stakes arc and then the protagonist loses. Then pretty much sbows the fallout and how to fix this
Evo Watches
Evo Watches 2 ヶ月 前
You will never be forgiven for the Turkish March
ReeLeaF
ReeLeaF 2 ヶ月 前
tournaments are glorified talent shows. all characters get flashy fights and use trump card moves they would never use before.
drewpamon
drewpamon 2 ヶ月 前
71 - 29, not really a deeply divided poll. If you had a president get those kind of numbers you'd list him among the most popular in history.
Selenopheria
Selenopheria 2 ヶ月 前
Bakugo's actor loses his voice for this role...not regularly, but it does happen. That's how he does it. It's kinda funny listening to him talk in real life because he has none of Bakugo's gruffness until someone in the audience asks for his favorite line (it's me) and he belts out "DIE!" into the microphone.
Kamenriderneo
Kamenriderneo 2 ヶ月 前
The first tournament arc I saw in an anime was in the first season of Pokemon. Ash made it to the quarter finals but was being pushed against the ropes. He then decides to summon Charizard who couldn't give any less of a f*ck causing Ash to loose the match by forfeit
Zak The Street Fighter
YEEESS!!! THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT YU YU HAKUSHO!! Both of its tournament arcs are fucking amazing and help to grow the characters!
Rajyavardhan Singh
Rajyavardhan Singh 2 ヶ月 前
HxH(HH) is actually not your typical Shonen.
Orange Yellow
Orange Yellow 2 ヶ月 前
No one mentioned Ida's fight against the engineer girl? That made me laugh like crazy
Olecram _
Olecram _ 2 ヶ月 前
Haikyuu is crying rn
silverloony1 1
silverloony1 1 2 ヶ月 前
"Rival complex." Well, that's a new synonym for "overwhelming narcissism."
Antoniyo Greenwood
Antoniyo Greenwood 2 ヶ月 前
Take my sub. "Tournament arcs are kinda boring."
Sebay465
Sebay465 2 ヶ月 前
What about training tournament arcs which are set up to train the characters (I use this every once in a while because my setting is an infinite multiverse to help balance out the main group of characters powers/abilities in my writing along with introducing the capabilities of the location such as a magic school where they have resurrection magic which makes it so as long as the parents sign a permission form there kids can enter into a death tournament to determine who's the best on the low end out of the school and later on between multiple schools (I like writing by roleplaying my characters)
Vanillastump
Vanillastump 2 ヶ月 前
Would "Interrupted Tournament arc" be a trope? Because Both Naruto and DragonBall Z do this. The Chunin exams in Naruto ends in an invasion, and the buu saga begins with a tournament that stops when Gohan's power gets stolen by some guy he wasn't fighting. I'm like 90% sure there are more.
Sithstorm D
Sithstorm D 2 ヶ月 前
Yes Red. My Hero stays good.
hundred two
hundred two 2 ヶ月 前
Aye man, if I'm watching a Shonen anime, I expect a tournament arc. In fact I'll be disappointed if I don't get one. They're hella necessary and allow our hero to beat out increasingly more badass opponents which is awesome. Sure sometimes the hero loses at the semi-finals or finals but that introduces us to someone even more badass, which inand of itself...is badass....you feel me?
Eric Neiman
Eric Neiman 2 ヶ月 前
The Zombie Knight once had a really interesting tournament arc, where a god was searching for a suitable vessel to resurrect another god. Several members of the party that found him had the requisite quality to serve as one (Supreme Will), and argued over who it should be. So the god decided to pit everyone in the room against each other, on the theory that it would come to a decision somehow and that hey, in a crucible like this someone else could find their Supreme Will. What makes this interesting is that (a) it was short, and (b) the motivations of the characters were all over the place, as were their capabilities. Some of them were normal people, while some were superpowered "servants" or in one case had an arsenal of magic items. Some characters wanted nothing to do with the prize or felt they had no possible chance and surrendered immediately (letting them do that is why the god felt it was reasonable to include *everyone*). The tournament was taking place inside a giant treasure vault, so some characters were much more interested in looting than competing, or powered up midway by grabbing a powerful magic item. And in one case, a character "fought" by arguing to the god that his (obviously much more powerful) opponent was afraid of the dead god's power and would want to hide it away rather than accepting it.
Valerie Alexander
Valerie Alexander 2 ヶ月 前
A tournament arc I really like (though, admittedly, not anime) is season 4 of Ninjago (SPOILERS). The whole premise is that there's a tournament of elements where elemental masters fight each other on Chen's island, and Chen tells the ninja that he has Zane, their teammate who they thought was dead. But a lot of the tournament is more about spying and trying to find Zane, figure out what's going on, and eventually how to get the other competitors on their side. And when the tournaments going down, they're trying their hardest not to lose because if they do, they get kicked out and captured. Plus, there was character related issues going on too (Garmadon's past, Lloyd learning about his father's past, Cole and Jay still mending their friendship after fighting for the same girl the previous season, and Kai's relationship with Skylor who he just met). Also, the whole tournament was actually a trick Chen made to get the elemental masters to willingly come to one place so he can take their elemental powers. The tournament is also a really clever way of making competitors not realizing or caring when a loser goes missing. It was really good and I love it and definitely recommend watching it.
Luke Austin
Luke Austin 2 ヶ月 前
I think one of the reasons why Yugioh managed to be popular despite the entire show being a series of tournament arcs that Yugi literally cannot afford to lose (don't worry, he loses like 3 duels ever, so he's in his comfort zone) but the series is always introducing new characters, new cards, and new playstyles. I think that's a large part of what keeps Yugioh so entertaining. Every villain approaches Yugi with a new, unique deck with some old familiar cards, and some crazy new ones. So, every time Yugi gets prepared to duel, we're excited to see what kind of cool new cards are going to be in this villain's deck.
Trux Fortuita
Trux Fortuita 2 ヶ月 前
I am sorry MHA wasnt good for like the last year....from now on its pretty good though.
jj003333
jj003333 2 ヶ月 前
Thank you for explaining to me why I don't like it my hero Academia. I Very much enjoy the trope of the MC is OP. So the subversive nature of the anime where the main character is weaker than the other characters doesn't appeal to me. It also explains why other people love it so much.
Josh
Josh 3 ヶ月 前
Is the pokemon anime a shonen
Soren Kazaren
Soren Kazaren 3 ヶ月 前
referencing my hero academia and yu yu hakusho tournaments in the same video. I see you too are a person of class. xD
Ook Jannes Planting
Ook Jannes Planting 3 ヶ月 前
"He kills him, but don't worry he gets better" Yea that sounds like a Shounen
RubberDuckZilla
RubberDuckZilla 3 ヶ月 前
“This Zuko lookin dude”. 🤣🤣🤣
ray ciannello
ray ciannello 3 ヶ月 前
I’m preparing for my first Brazilian Jiu jitsu tournament… trying to create my own tournament arc!
ATruePanda
ATruePanda 3 ヶ月 前
OOOOH so Shonen anime is all the shit I never want to watch
Pancho 77
Pancho 77 3 ヶ月 前
Yes, but MHA is also extremely perverted.
gkheder
gkheder 3 ヶ月 前
"He just kills her... well she got better" "She turned me into a newt...well i got better"
Evie R
Evie R 3 ヶ月 前
This video made me watch all of My Hero Academia in an embarrassingly short time. I hope you're proud of yourself. (Also I'm thrilled any time anyone brings up Yu Yu Hakusho, so I love this series.)
Kevin Wu
Kevin Wu 3 ヶ月 前
Red: "This character dies" Red: "Don't worry, this character gets better." Me: what?
ryfors
ryfors 3 ヶ月 前
Unpopular opinion: it's how they win/doesn't win that's engaging. Also: Thank you
Malayah Refuerzo
Malayah Refuerzo 3 ヶ月 前
Me: Wait a minute Haikyuu is just one big tournament arc!
Maya N
Maya N 3 ヶ月 前
i would totally watch a video of you talking about your fav shoes or just my hero and unpacking some of it for a while
Voldy Moldyvoldy
Voldy Moldyvoldy 3 ヶ月 前
Yu Yu hakusho in the thumbnail, he’ll yeah
Luke Price
Luke Price 3 ヶ月 前
Eh, Sports Festival is pretty overrated.
PerfectTiming X
PerfectTiming X 3 ヶ月 前
“Tournament arcs are kinda boring” *phone literally refuses to load*
Laya Ysabella Gareza
Thank LORD I watched this video and thank RED for making it. Cause if that hadn't happened I would've missed out on such an amazing anime Or just anime in general since I'm kinda new to it-
Shinkuchou
Shinkuchou 3 ヶ月 前
Well shit. Now I have to watch Hero.
Xan V
Xan V 3 ヶ月 前
So is it just me or is Baku and dekus relationship kinda codependent maybe more then friends or rivals, dekus clearly into the girl right flustered bastard but is way more intimate and personal with Baku. I don't know like the scene int the movie when Baku takes dekus power lol glow and talk about sharing similar dreams and deli being sure about sacrificing those after all who understands more then Baku the man slash friend who reinforced all of dekus insecurities mane I'm just saying maybe dekus was suppose to be gay??? Does anyone know for sure i read that RANMA 1/2 WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A RANKO AKANE LOVE STORY ORIGINALLY BUT IT WAS THE 90S IDK That scene was pretty fucking romantic is why I question hey maybe the writers are hinting at something.
Nerderiffic
Nerderiffic 3 ヶ月 前
Ok so idea: have a tournement as your 1st arc to introduce your whole cast and their quirks without getting stale so its all new. Then have it semi low stakes so the protagonist doesnt HAVE to win and its instant character development for the victor
galaxystudios
galaxystudios 2 ヶ月 前
Kengan Ashura's Kengan Annihilation Tournament. The stakes are pretty high but not so high that the main character can't lose. It also happens to be my favourite tournament arc of all time. I would also HIGHLY recommend reading the manga. The anime cut a lot of really important content and although the CGI isn't terrible, the manga has my favourite artstyle in manga history straight up.
Mike Jakobsen
Mike Jakobsen 3 ヶ月 前
Red: hope it stays good Fun fact: *NO*
Game Insane
Game Insane 3 ヶ月 前
Rabid Bakugo tied to the 1st place podium is beyond priceless every time it’s brought up
issakpopmindset
issakpopmindset 3 ヶ月 前
The Yu Yu Hakusho summary actually reminded me that I've actually seen the anime and forgotten that i ever saw it🤣
Hulk Hogan
Hulk Hogan 3 ヶ月 前
Say what you will about black clover but the royal knights exam is genuinely a good tournament arc. First off the main character doesn’t need to pass the exam to be involved in the plot, all the examinees were evaluated on their performance in the tournament with the winners obviously being apart of the royal knights. Second (spoilers), the main character didn’t even win and his rival along with a girl who has feelings for him did. The tournament was team based and a backstory in the arc gave us some interesting world building to the life of those who aren’t royalty. It also introduced some foreshadowing to a potential threat in stage two of the war arc so it connected the story pretty well. We get plenty of new abilities showcased as well which are necessary for a shounen plot.
Sam Page
Sam Page 3 ヶ月 前
Chonin Exams was the perfect tournament arc
Elliot Musgrove
Elliot Musgrove 3 ヶ月 前
18:02 it will
Ottopea
Ottopea 3 ヶ月 前
the recurring use of pacific rim footage in your videos for visual aids is hilarious
WraythSkitzofrenik
WraythSkitzofrenik 3 ヶ月 前
The only tournament arcs I liked were in Food Wars.
Art
Art 3 ヶ月 前
In my book. I have something like this. Where the main charecters have to win against some minor villain in a dance battle in order to win. the plot twist? it was entirely unnessecary, and the heros only THOUGHT that they would get killed if they lost. its ends with them being frustrated at the lost of time. (but its nessecary for the main relationship)
Rage 2000
Rage 2000 3 ヶ月 前
“For your eternity” has a tournament arc
Stephen Mosack
Stephen Mosack 4 ヶ月 前
Please don't overload me. I've seen very little modern anime but I'm intrigued. Please recommend an honestly well written series or movie
Enzo José
Enzo José 3 ヶ月 前
@Aryan radio Demon slayer is not well written. It's too fast paced and barely has character development. The only reason it made sucess is because the anime has fantastic animation and songs.
Stephen Mosack
Stephen Mosack 3 ヶ月 前
@Aryan radio thanks. I'll take a look.
Aryan radio
Aryan radio 3 ヶ月 前
Jujutsu kaisen
Aryan radio
Aryan radio 3 ヶ月 前
Demon slayer
Stephen Mosack
Stephen Mosack 4 ヶ月 前
You're the best around....!
Boom Aggro
Boom Aggro 4 ヶ月 前
"Zuko looking dood"
Rango
Rango 4 ヶ月 前
The best tournament ark is still from Lego ninjago
tactical kiwi bird
tactical kiwi bird 4 ヶ月 前
mha did not stay goo sorry red (i mean with the fan base ruing it)
Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis 4 ヶ月 前
Dark tournament best tournament
Cam T
Cam T 4 ヶ月 前
In the words of Gigguk "TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOURNEMENT ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRC"
Lily Ely
Lily Ely 4 ヶ月 前
The archie Sonic comics did one of these arcs incredibly well. The prize was a chaos emerald, but the twist was that there were multiple protagonist characters all on the same side trying to get it. The question wasn't *if* they'd win the competition, but *who* would win it. The reason they didn't just steal the emerald was because they knew that would cause problems later, and they couldn't buy it off the person in charge because she had an ulterior motive with the competition.
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