Bobby Fischer's Secret Online Match vs Nigel Short in 2000

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#agadmator The story is that Bobby Fischer sometimes logs on to the Internet Chess Club (ICC) as a guest and plays an incredible series of blitz games against random opponents. The pattern is always the same: "Fischer", who does not have an ICC handle, will make contact either directly or through a third person and then play a series of very fast blitz games ("bullet chess"), using preposterous openings and whipping the living daylights out of his opponents. They are sworn to secrecy, so the games are seldom published. Only the stories of the apparition, of the bone-chilling encounter with the ephemeral chess legend remains.
Robert James Fischer vs Nigel Short
October 2000
Internet Chess Club
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Big Boi
Big Boi 4 日 前
Not only is it highly improbable that Fischer could be this good at age 58 after barely playing any chess after his world championship, if you look at these games and run some of the positions through chess engines of the day, you’ll find that a vast majority of the moves “Fischer” supposedly played, aside from the openings, were engine suggested. There is no way it was Fischer; just a troll who happened to own a powerful computer that was able to trick some gullible players.
Reinier Smits
Reinier Smits 11 日 前
It' not checkmate, the knight can block. But great game and explanation
Ralph M
Ralph M 15 日 前
on mate in 5, you missed a move after Rh1+, black's knight has a move, then it's RxN ++. And, I'm convinced that Short was playing against Fischer.
The Gorn
The Gorn 16 日 前
1992 world championship match against Boris! S'yeah. Errrr what?
Lance Mannly
Lance Mannly 16 日 前
"He provided irrefutable evidence that this was indeed Bobby Fischer, citing a story that when commenting on the weather his opponent stated that hail storms are an international jewish conspiracy"
kenneth hasel
kenneth hasel 16 日 前
Could you call checkmate even though the knight can block and delay it for 1 move ?
kevin o'sullivan
kevin o'sullivan 18 日 前
Bold and Brilliant
sarthak sah
sarthak sah 18 日 前
Yes i think he is Bobby Fisher only
aqua 21 日 前
I didn't think they were still people who think this was Fischer . Most people believe it was an engine , possibly Chess Tiger,
black6master 21 日 前
No it was no Fischer....Nigel said it himself...google it...it was in discussion but check the latest before you start claim like this...at the end it came out it was comp..as said by Nigel! Himself
Luigi Risotto
Luigi Risotto 23 日 前
It’s not check mate yet. Black horse blocks. Then check mate.
Gabe Kozak
Gabe Kozak 26 日 前
BOBY FISCHERRRRRR Mikhail Tal showered him with praises, calling him "the greatest genius to have descended from the chess heavens".
Eddie Ash
Eddie Ash 26 日 前
Just courious, what is your chess rating or title? You seem super gd smart
Mastan Shariff
Mastan Shariff 26 日 前
you are awesome in explaining chess games, you are also good at chess that's why iam interested to watch your videos, i hope you get millions of subscribers early
Matt Wakeham
Matt Wakeham 28 日 前
If anyone plays 5 random opening moves and then opens up stockfish it would look the same... the "evidences" (sic) are circumstantial. I'll leave the obvious conclusion as a puzzle for the reader..
M.L. Saini
M.L. Saini 28 日 前
Great game of fischer. Keep it up atamator
Mr T Mapogo
Mr T Mapogo 28 日 前
My only suspicion is if the other person is using an engine. Are the engines beating the best human player in 2000?
Lockdown DB
Lockdown DB 29 日 前
The style, the dominance, the being unorthodox and seemingly reckless. The fact that black had a winning position and still couldn't win. Every move including giving up his queen all seemed like a calculation and lure into his 20-25 move trap. This game was an abstract masterpiece. Well down by Bobby Fischer❤
hulk marvel
hulk marvel ヶ月 前
Not sure if it's bobby but second move by white was leading to think that this might be the legendary Fisher.
Kranqi ヶ月 前
Is there a reason knight can't block making it mate in 6 or am I just going crazy
Vikram Chandra Alladi
Kranqi from f5 onwards it’s just a series of checks that end up in checkmate ..the knight never gets the chance to make a move coz king is always under attack aka forced mate
Ned Alturas
Ned Alturas ヶ月 前
If this game got public then I would freak out because of Fischer's opening
PEEL ヶ月 前
What if it was just some random old guy who is just really good
kidcharlemagne ヶ月 前
Noob here. What did the Queen sacrifice achieve?
NikF92 ヶ月 前
Fischer without e4?
nz ヶ月 前
the pioneer of the bongcloud
Joseph C
Joseph C ヶ月 前
I was just thinking this lmfaooooo
pocorn ヶ月 前
He could of moved his knight so it's not checkmate of course afterwards though the rook would capture the knight and then you'd have checkmate
Joseph C
Joseph C ヶ月 前
Hassan Khamis
Hassan Khamis ヶ月 前
The legend never dies
Ura neo
Ura neo ヶ月 前
No, it was me all the time :D
adam gillis
adam gillis ヶ月 前
This is definitely a a demonstration of pure genius the fact that its unorthodox for the standard definition of unorthodox meaning that It took a special type of individual to come out with that type ed of opening I do believe that I TV was Bobby Fischer simply because he literally experimented ed noted with every other unorthodox style it would only make sense that at this particular moment in his life he would have been doing the most ridiculously unorthodox openings that it would make a regular unorthodox opening be considered a somewhat standard. Amazing absolutely beautiful game
Gaston Boutchon
Gaston Boutchon ヶ月 前
Beating Short by 8-0 is evidence enough for me
Fischer played the extended bong cloud!
TheMrBennito ヶ月 前
no, it was a machine. A fighting machine. Ehh .. oh. So it WAS Fischer ....
Vicky ヶ月 前
Agad is looking cute here
greg taylor
greg taylor ヶ月 前
Thank you Antonio..........probably THE most beautiful game I've ever seen!
Stellar ヶ月 前
When Fischer gave up his queen, he traded 2 rooks for it which i think is better than a queen right?
hasamoker hasamoker
Yes, in theory two rooks have a value of 2x5=10 while a queen has a value of 9
Miguel Berganza
Miguel Berganza ヶ月 前
bongcloud is the new Ruy López
Bobby Fischer was right
Cnut The Grape
Cnut The Grape ヶ月 前
Fischer just bongclouded And it fucking worked What the fuck
Christian Hennessey
I think Fischer would beat Magnus...but i think Woods would beat Jack....all things being equal.
shgh26 2 ヶ月 前
Feels good when you find the mate on a Bobby Fischer game
Alan 2 ヶ月 前
I think it's very likely to have been Fischer with the evidence stated.
Indian Rocks
Indian Rocks 2 ヶ月 前
Sometimes, two rooks are more pernicious than a queen.. This game is the best example
Vita Min
Vita Min 2 ヶ月 前
bless bobby
pedro reinado
pedro reinado 2 ヶ月 前
Ese no es Fischer.
Sergio Chávez
Sergio Chávez 2 ヶ月 前
It was alpha 😂
Joe Magnets
Joe Magnets 2 ヶ月 前
It shows that TRUE OBSESSION with the focus of the goal of 'winning' a game, can lead to pure insanity of wasting one's life on that obsession. But in defense of that obsession, he never married or had children that would divide his obsession that was his reality.
kard sufur
kard sufur 2 ヶ月 前
sorry disappoint you folks this is not Fisher, this is almost certainly someone using a program/engine i.e. cheating vs. Short
hasamoker hasamoker
@kard sufur your first point is wrong. Bobby actually never denied playing against Nigel. When he was asked about what Nigel said, he answered "He can say what he wants".
kard sufur
kard sufur 2 ヶ月 前
@PadorUmin so what u gonna do about it ?
PadorUmin 2 ヶ月 前
@kard sufur Honestly, you are very rude to someone who asked for proof of your claim.
kard sufur
kard sufur 2 ヶ月 前
@ByRTD yO 1. firstly someone posted a link below to press conference in iceland where fischer himself said it was not him and that it was ridiculous to think it was. 2. if you know anything about chess whatsoever (you clearly do not) you would see that the moves are clearly computer/CPU moves and not human moves. And not in that praising way "hurr durr Fischer wasn't human!" personally I consider fischer maybe the best ever so it's not like I'm even a hater of him, but the moves are clearly CPU moves. But hey who knows, rite
ByRTD yO 2 ヶ月 前
PMP PMO, Project Coordinator
I think Fischer is a far better than kasparov
Jimmy 2 ヶ月 前
Fischer played online. That is fucking mindblowing. We tend to think of him as an ancient legend from the same time as Tal or Botvinnik.
Kowalsky 2k Analasys
@Alain Trépanier i might be late but your parallel is nothing but stupid
Alain Trépanier
Alain Trépanier 23 日 前
@William Boyle people with critical thinking are seen has nuts by others e.g. it's nuts not to want to advertise a shampoo you never tried. These days people are all (well not me) corrupted !
William Boyle
William Boyle 27 日 前
@Omar Godinez He was good BECAUSE he was completely nuts.
Omar Godinez
Omar Godinez ヶ月 前
@TheGuy WhoPlaysChess it's even more amazing that he was still so good considering he was completely NUTS
TheGuy WhoPlaysChess
I KNOW RIGHT. It’s amazing
Daniel Hau
Daniel Hau 2 ヶ月 前
I played a lot of chess in my younger years but eventually stopped because I hated the repetitiveness. E2 to E4, Knight to F3, the other knight comes out or bishop to c4 etc.. while the opponent just reacts accordingly that usually ended up like a mirrored board and traffic jams worse than rush hour. I wanted to be unorthodox but didn't think it was competitive to do so. Mr. Fischer proved it was possible and that all this repetitive memorizing theory wasn't needed to win at the highest level. Mr. Fischer will always be the greatest player to me and because of this particular game, I may get back into it.
Александр Совин
I know, right? This game is something else.
Arman Bolouri
Arman Bolouri 2 ヶ月 前
bun memorization trash...
LordZon 2 ヶ月 前
Can we see more games? These are really interesting.
Dylon Romo
Dylon Romo 2 ヶ月 前
Imagine getting f4 Bongclouded by Fischer
MasterChief 2 ヶ月 前
what is "anudder idea" ? what kind of idea is that?
Rafael Silva
Rafael Silva 2 ヶ月 前
Nigel: "It must be Fischer" Deepmind: "They're not ready yet..."
Anurag 2 ヶ月 前
Agadmator- secret chess games Also agadmator- Reveals it to 780 k people
bugs bunny
bugs bunny 2 ヶ月 前
Short got trolled by someone using Chess Tiger.
Asif kabeer
Asif kabeer 2 ヶ月 前
I sacrifice my queen and it doesn't play out as in none of these games
alfa-psi 2 ヶ月 前
It's so secret even Bobby Fischer didn't know he played it. Short should have told him.
EL T1GRE 2 ヶ月 前
The History is super cool, a Bobby Fisher comes online and beat Nigel Short 8-0 😐😮😂.
GD Kaci
GD Kaci 2 ヶ月 前
Well,the confidence and cynicism on Kings move is strong indication that Fisher might be our mystery man.
SKD dwivedi
SKD dwivedi 2 ヶ月 前
A person who can defeat tal in the style of tal himself is surely the best player. He played on engine mode once. Only he can win against short with such bad positions. Fischer's confidence is sooo unique, only he has his confidence. Just shows how strong he really was.
wakefieldyorkshire 2 ヶ月 前
Were engines that good in 2000? In-fact find the best engine of the time then put the moves in and see what happens.
hasamoker hasamoker
Back in 2000/01, the strongest engine was "Deep Blue" with an estimated elo of 2850. Some people claim that in this game, it was an engine user using "Blitz Tiger", which I personally doubt since it was rated only 2700. In contrast: Fischer at his peak had a rating of >2900, plus there is the elo-inflation...
FREDtalk 2 ヶ月 前
Wasn’t it uncovered that it was someone with a computer pretenting to be Fisher for these game...?
Anthony Andrea
Anthony Andrea 2 ヶ月 前
I remember reading about it on chessbase at the time - the story was that it was a computer after all - it seemed confirmed as computer.
SoCal Justice Warrior
Fischer is so fucking awesome
Ramon Bannister
Ramon Bannister 2 ヶ月 前
There's not enough evidence it was Fischer. I heard these stories and never believed them. I bet it was someone w/ a computer.
Александр Совин
What a symphony of moves by white.
You'll See My Name EveryWhere
I’m a very weak player in chess but these moves Fischer is playing are stronger than I’ve ever seen from any chess player, ever move has a meaning and a strong one too
Whispering Wempe
Whispering Wempe 2 ヶ月 前
Not checkmate yet, first the knight blocks rook, rook takes knight, only then it's checkmate
ruska myrsky
ruska myrsky 2 ヶ月 前
A program called "Blitz Tiger" was found to match "Fischer's" moves.
Юрий Иванов
Yes. I like Fisher's game and I want to believe that it was superGM Fisher, but.... When you remove the impossible, all ever remain, how it incledible, is the true. Sherlock Holmes said this. So, someone beat Nigel 8-0 in Blitz with handicape. But Nigel is very strong GM, more stronger that Spassky in 1992. Was Fisher win him 10-0? Without handicape? No, that was 10-5 wins , and something draw. Also that was not Kasparov (12,5-7,5) and no human. But it was still Fischer: he gave himself away as an answer to a question that only he could know. Next: In a 2005 interview, for fear of being exposed as a cheater, Fisher said: It wasn't me. But this is such an opportunity to prove to everyone that he, Fischer, is a super GM and really world champion, as he told everyone. And that the world has lost a lot from his departure So, no man could beat Nigel 8-0. It was engine, "Blitz Tiger", for example. Fischer had money for better equipment and software. And he gave himself away with an answer that only he knew Sorry for not the best language, I'm from Russia.
RJMPublic ヶ月 前
@Slance I can't verify it was this program, but according to the wiki it sounds accurate to this game. "Chess Tiger is designed to be particularly aggressive in its style of play.[7] While most chess engines tend to avoid gambits and sacrifices Chess Tiger actually prefers them.[8] Chess Tiger calculates very quickly even in relatively weak hardware environments which implies that the evaluation function is fairly 'light' and that therefore the balance between speed and positional understanding is weighted in favour of the former.[9]" I honestly want to believe this was Fischer, but it's really not likely when you think about it. I mean, Fischer wouldn't respond with just a year if he was asked if he knew a guy. He wouldn't want anyone to know it was him.
Slance 2 ヶ月 前
Eric Emenheiser
Eric Emenheiser 2 ヶ月 前
Rbh1 is not # ...Nh2 Rxh2#
Eric Emenheiser
Eric Emenheiser 2 ヶ月 前
He lost to woman and then had to make up this story to save his chauvinistic face
Merrik Ceadall
Merrik Ceadall 2 ヶ月 前
Whoever it was he styled all over him with them king moves in the opening 😱
pR Predatorz
pR Predatorz 2 ヶ月 前
Opening seems to suggest computer without opening book.
J.W. 2 ヶ月 前
just a troll using an engine, Fischer would have been 57 years old, even the greatest of all time cannot defeat time.
Arkos 11
Arkos 11 2 ヶ月 前
It was not Fischer as in 1992 is TPR against spassky was 2600s
Martin Beasley
Martin Beasley 2 ヶ月 前
Did Short resign or was the game carried on until Fischer mated him?
Athak Kumar Singh
Athak Kumar Singh 2 ヶ月 前
Fischer was back once. Amazing!!!!
spleeeen4it 2 ヶ月 前
if you see the interviews with bobby in 2005 he said he hates chess and has no interest in it would it really have been that different five years before??
Iyappan.K 2 ヶ月 前
I think it should be Fischer
Jay Roberts
Jay Roberts 2 ヶ月 前
This game is an abomination by Fischer even if he won.
Alex Ting
Alex Ting 2 ヶ月 前
Malcolm in the Middle
This game would be perfect for cinematic chess scenes like in Code Geass and No Game No Life
unkown 23 日 前
Two of my favorite shows
p8ently obvious
p8ently obvious 25 日 前
@Malcolm in the Middle a helluva lot
p8ently obvious
p8ently obvious 25 日 前
@Malcolm in the Middle I dont believe that even Fischer could win against a grandmaster with an opening like that . No way
Enver 25 日 前
yup especially code geass
Malcolm in the Middle
@p8ently obvious Any grandmaster could beat me using these crazy moves. You just have to exceed your opponents level by a lot.
jason williams
jason williams 2 ヶ月 前
Obviously someone using a very strong chess engine maybe the strongest chess engine for the day against one of the best players in the world at that time. I doubt even Kasparov could have beaten Short 8-0 like that without a single draw so it wasn;t him not that he would have done that anyway. Someone pretending to be Fischer could have known all Fischer's previous opponents (many fans of Fischer know all his official or important previous games and opponents off by heart). Definately no doubt that was a con job and is surprising that Short has fallen for it! Bobby Fischer was a brilliant chess genous but he wasn't so great that he could have beaten Short in his prime 8-0 lol.
jason williams
jason williams 2 ヶ月 前
@Γρηγόρης Αράπης I honestly do not think so. Bobby Fischer was a great player but he wasn't 500 elo better than Short like whoever it is that is playing him in that match. I have to disagree. Do you actually believe that Fischer was that much better than Short who at the time was around elo 2700?
Γρηγόρης Αράπης
@jason williams I think that this proves that the opponent was Fischer. I mean lets take it logically. Any other chess master would have took it public. And any chess engine maker would have also taken it public. Fischer is the only logical choice because Fischer didn't disclose his private or online matches.
jason williams
jason williams 2 ヶ月 前
@Γρηγόρης Αράπης my point is that no human being even Kasparov could have beaten Short 8-0 and beaten him like that so that only leaves one possible answer it was someone using a computer. Not the computer programs like Fritz 6 or whatever that was available for anyone to buy but a super computer capable of playing a ridiculous high level even back in 2000.
Γρηγόρης Αράπης
It 2000 and it was a bullet game. There were no Chess engines that powerful then. If it was I am sure that the makers of that engine would brag about their master creation to be able even from nonsense moves to turn the tide against a master such as Short.
Suyash Mishra
Suyash Mishra 2 ヶ月 前
Is there is any game between bobby and vishy ?
Talk Etic
Talk Etic 2 ヶ月 前
That last move wasn't checkmate. He could've blocked with the knight, then checkmate follows
Signal 6EQUJ5
Signal 6EQUJ5 2 ヶ月 前
Fischer was amazing. Today he would be a serious threat to Carlsen
AnOriginalName 2 ヶ月 前
I kind of like Fischer's approach to chess theory and people taking it super seriously. I liked chess in High School where I played with my friends during lunch. There chess was a social experience where we would constantly be joking and messing with each other, if you blundered you would both laugh and things like that. One of my friends often did weird openings just for fun. Like he would move his pawn to a3 or h3, then move his rook one sport forward and one spot back repeatedly until you did something that forced him to stop, like threaten the rook or do the 4 move checkmate. That was fun, especially as the starting position of pieces is actually pretty strong and gets weaker the more you move and create openings. Anyway, stuff like that is absent when you have people playing in deadpan silence, or across computer screens and applying theory. I really don't like how pretentious some people take chess as well, it's just a game, I don't really think being a really good chess player is all that different to being a really good fighting game player or a really good RTS player. They'll all about mind games, making split second decisions and technique, the only difference is that chess is balanced.
Tooth Harvester
Tooth Harvester 2 ヶ月 前
That was a very chad king play at the beginning
Surya Neelakandan
Surya Neelakandan 2 ヶ月 前
A bobby that doesn't open with e4? Really?
_Sky_ 2 ヶ月 前
where is a png for this game ??
Lukáš Antoš
Lukáš Antoš 3 ヶ月 前
Omg I immediately saw that mate in 5 I'm so happy for myself lol
Jason Voorhes
Jason Voorhes 3 ヶ月 前
Giving A short king walk towards Nigel short Can be only possible by Fisher
Orange Waffles
Orange Waffles 3 ヶ月 前
id love to see fischer playing a modern player like hikaru or magnus
maff2008 ヶ月 前
@Woof Woof You don't understand Fischer, his mentality, preparation and resolve. Just because someone is born in the modern era it doesn't mean they can outclass anyone from the past or vice versa. You can only beat what is in front of you at the time. When Fischer was playing the likes of Tal and Spassky, he prepared his games by studying the style and percentages of his opponents and if Fischer suddenly appeared today he'd study Carlsen for perhaps a few months then set about his preparation to beat him. Don't forget that Carlsen can also be put out of his comfort zone too and Fischer always found a way. Fischer read over a thousand chess books and studied every player in history dating back into the 19th Century and beyond. You think a few fancy moves from Carlsen will confuse one of the greatest chess minds that ever lived? Carlsen is king at the moment for one reason and one reason only, there are no more Bobby Fischer's left in this world or people that played like Tal who would confuse Carlsen into an early bath.
Kaden Cr
Kaden Cr ヶ月 前
@Orange Waffles the problem is people now underate fischer in hopes and beliefs that chess champions now is definately stronger than chess champions in the olden days but its not proven and its a biased. I dont think an ordinary human would be able to play 3 unconventional moves in the opening and still beat some of the worlds top players. I mean whos ever heard of an opening that spoils castling and moves the king to the centre. Thats the brilliance of bobby fischer, the same guy who beat boris spasky at that time who has never lost a chess match with a variation of an opening (that i cant rmbr), without playing his usual openings or memorising chess openings
Kaden Cr
Kaden Cr ヶ月 前
@Orange Waffles Actually many peoples point about modern chess being better than olden chess is not really valid. Modern chess is only slightly better than olden chess. In this video even nigel short himself claimed that fischer was better than garry kasporov, who has been able to draw against people like hikaru whom has spent his entire life studying kasporovs career. I think its safe to say fischer>kasporov=hikaru. And the fact that fischer is alr able to beat the top 2 in the world overall shows he could probably beat magnus given that he stayed on and played chess, even without using engines
sotovo ヶ月 前
@thorn35 While we appreciate you taking the time to write that Fischer was a smart guy and studied, the fact remains that the Soviets had access to the most chess theory at the time.
thorn35 ヶ月 前
@sotovo Bobby learned Russian and studied their books, he didn't have all the money they poured into their champions, but he was a smart guy and studied.
mdb831 3 ヶ月 前
Funny that after f6 is played the engine completely swings into white's favor. I guess Ben Finegold was right.
mdb831 2 ヶ月 前
@Antonio Claro I meant f6
Antonio Claro
Antonio Claro 2 ヶ月 前
h6 was already a forced checkmate, maybe you mistyped?
Peli Mies
Peli Mies 3 ヶ月 前
The white reminds of Juri Sinebrykoff - the five time grand slam master of the Kaluga obl. Open Sauna-evening champion.
pwned11 3 ヶ月 前
Nigel Short should have been embarassed to show these games. Take the f4 pawn with the d5 pawn. Push the h pawn at first opportunity. Wreck the misplaced king's cover. Castle queenside. Win. It's easy. But Short played around. He played solid moves, which allowed his opponent to hang around. What was he thinking?
Christian Baresic
Christian Baresic 3 ヶ月 前
Move 24 was Fischer's first to develop a minor piece. Crazy.
RexNunc 3 ヶ月 前
Why cant black block with the knight? It's still checkmate after that but this position is not checkmate
Joseph Bloe
Joseph Bloe 3 ヶ月 前
cant be that secret - else we wouldn't know ;)
Mikey Lejan
Mikey Lejan 3 ヶ月 前
Old Bobby fischer
Bobby Fischer's 21-move brilliancy
Magnus Carlsen's Improved Bong Cloud