@Khonh lo Judge deserves MVP. MVP for hitters, and cy Young for Pitcher. shouldnt count Shohei's pitching stats even though Shohei is doing great in 2 ways, which no one has ever achieved.. Shohei is most talented player. still comparing stats of Shohei and Judge, there is huge difference in their hitting records. I am Shonei's fan, as I am Japanese, I want Shohei receives MVP every year, but This year, Judge must receive MVP.
Most people who think Arron Judge is the MVP says he is “playing” center field, but think about his contribution to Yankees, he has just a “ordinary” fielding or even worse. Ohtani pitches as an ace, no matter what team he play. As Pedro said, pitchers can’t do anything between the pitching, they need to rest their arm and body to prepare for the next start. Ohtani is hitting fantastic after he pitched, and still get no recess between the start. Don’t take Ohtani’s recovering ability for granted.
I’ve always loved Pedro but my respect for him is now through the roof. His opinion on Ohtani matters because he truly understands the demands on a MLB pitcher. Just wait for the final results to decide as they both have made such great impact on their respective teams. I still believe however that in the bigger picture of MLB that Ohtani has hands down been more important.
Unfortunately these idiots sitting next to him are the same as uneducated, unthinking JPvid commenters who rely on platitudes like "Judge has been carrying the Yankees" and "the Angels are about the same without Ohtani." The voters will be the same way. Uneducated fools will think that Ohtani doesn't deserve MVP over Judge.
Pedro makes a very good point regarding the value of a player to his team. If one takes away Ohtani from Angels, the team will be even worse than where they are right now. Ohtani's WAR is as good as Judge's on an objective basis. First, when Ohtani is pitching, like yesterday against Astros, Angels' chance to win those games are far better than with other Angel's pitchers (say 60% based on his current record). So, strictly going off players' value to his team, I would say Ohtani is more valuable to Angels than Judge is to Yankees. Ohtani is currently irreplaceable as a pitcher for Angels. On hitting side, only Trout can replace Ohtani. Judge can be replaced by Stanton, LeMahieu, Torres, Donaldson, and slew of other Yankees both on the plate and field. Remember Yankees perennially spend the most for exceptional players, and to say that Yankees is going to be a losing team without Judge is highly unlikely. And, the argument and reason for Judge MVP are flawed and incongruent. By the way, Ohtani consistently neutralizes Astros hitters like last night, and Astros have the best record in AL.
Ohtani’s 2.55 ERA, but 8 losses speaks volumes that the Angels aren’t supporting him. It’s impressive that he has 12 wins. Something to consider, his unique MLB record, 12 wins and 30+ home runs.
I play volleyball and at the end of the day my arms feel like a limp stretch arm strong. What Ohtani is doing is beyond greatness. Pitching than hitting HR. There is no one like Ohtani
Ten years from now, people will think this argument was silly. History will prove how great it is for Shohei Ohtani to achieve this record with two different styles of pitching.
People don’t understand how incredible Ohtani is, it takes a lot out of you just by pitching alone, and on top of that, he still produces offensively, especially after the day he just pitched where his body is still recovering. He isn’t a robot
If the Yankees and Angels were to make a trade, the Yankees would not be able to acquire Otani in exchange for one Judge. It's an invisible achievement, but just having Ohtani on the team would open up one more roster spot by playing the dual role of pitcher and hitter. It's an obvious point, very big benefit for team
I watched two legendary pitchers in Japan (one was Daisuke Matsuzaka) talking how tired your body gets after pitching. One said you lose about 3kg in body weight after a game and it’s so tough to recover from it and condition yourself to get ready for the next pitch. They also asked each other question like, “ Do you even think about stealing bases when you are pitching? I can’t believe Shohei can run like that.” I mean, Ohtani not only is an ace pitcher for Angels, he hits, steals and he is also fantastic at fielding. I think pitchers can more appreciate what Ohtani is doing.
I am kind of new to baseball. But I don't understand why Angel being a weak team counts against Ohtani. It's definitely easier to perform well when you are on a good team. And is it easier to be the center fielder or the pitcher? It's a no brainer right? Would they be saying the same things if the teams are reversed... It's kind of a popularity contest so not that important in my view but some of these arguments just sound so non-sensical.
I totally agree! If Ohtani had been with the Yankees, his wins as a pitcher would have been even higher than they are now, and if his teammates have a strong hitting lineup, it will be more difficult for opposing pitchers to pitch to him. So, it is very likely that his performance in terms of hitting would have been higher than it is now. Above all, I think the fact that his contribution as a pitcher is not being appreciated is very sad.
The truth of baseball probably has an answer opposite to that of the commentators. This is because when good hitters are at bat in a row, the pitcher cannot throw with all his might against just one hitter. Look at their monthly performance. Ohtani hit only five homers in July when Trout was absent, but he has already hit four this month.
They are probably going to give the MVP to Judge, but that don't matter because ten years from now nobody will remember who won the MVP. But they will all remember what Ohtani did for the next hundred years.
Look at ohtani's last start on 9/10. The angels starting 6 to 9 hitters were batting less than .200 for the season. Even playing with minor leaguers, ohtani still won. Angels team without ohtani or trout are just plan trash. If ohtani was on the Yankees, they would be pushing for the best record in a season. If Judge went to the angels, they would be pushing for the wrose record of all time. Ohtani is the MVP.
First of all, as a premise, the judge's war wais high in the center field, so naturally in the case of Ohtani, the registered position in the DH is a pitcher, so the wa should be quite low, but this is the only difference, which is a different dimension. Are you underestimating your level of fatigue? If the judge throws the same number of balls and hits that number, I have no objection to that batting average, but what Ohtani is doing is unique. If Ohtani is in good health and continues to build dual wielding and improve his grades every year, I think it's okay for him to be MVP every year.
This Is so frustrating. Yes Judge has 20 more home runs with the same amount of at bats, but in addition to those 32hrs, now 33hrs, he has 20+ extra base hits and 11 stolen bases...that's why his WAR is only .3 shy of Judge. I'm glad Pedro brings that pitching perspective. Also, to Pedro's point, it was the ENITRE Yankees team that was performing, that's why they're still at the top of the division. Like Judge is doing great things, but when it's convenient, folks are forgetting what other players have done, as well as how hard pitchers work throwout the game (the only player throwing and operating throughout the entire inning). Like what? The cherry picking of stats is just wild for me. So Shohei has to pitch the way he's pitching AND hit 50+ home runs...no doubt in my mind he can do it, but jeez what he's doing now is completely remarkable and EVERYONE agrees but no one wants to give him the MVP.. I don't get it
@okazaki blop Well I'm glad he's making it. It's just incredible, every time he hits, pitches, fields something... I'm always in awe. Always love talking baseball with people that can appreciate it!
It's stupid and insulting for Granderson and Rollins to say the MVP is Judge "hands down" when it's much closer than that and remains highly debatable. I agree with Pedro about what Ohtani is doing and that we should wait to see the two players at the end of the season. I favor Ohtani anyway, but I respect what Judge is doing. But consider the Yankee stadium and other east coast ballparks with their shorter fences making it easier for Judge to hit one over the fence. He's powerful, a great hitter, and would hit a lot of HRs no matter what. But put Ohtani in NY and hitting in those parks with shorter fences and his HR total is much greater. He's barely missed a HR in Angel stadium and other big parks, still hit 33 total plus 6 triples, pitching at 12-8 with all those SOs. He's also a lot of fun to watch.
The Angels' results won't change even if Judge moves to the Angels. If Shohei Ohtani goes to the Yankees, the Yankees will win the championship. Team performance doesn't matter. Considering the burden on the pitcher, it cannot be compared to the center.
Arron Judge of records. Shohei Ohtani of memories. Which one will you remember 10 years from now? It will be remembered if Judge hits 60 home runs again. Ohtani may not win MVP. But he will forever be in our memory. It's worth more than MVP.
Had Trout not been injured, he and Ohtani would have hit over 40 homers at this point. In other words, a player playing for a team that has a slugger as a teammate has an advantage.
Shohei Ohtani is INCREDIBLE! Houston scares me the most as a Mets fan! Look at Shohei Ohtani's stats vs Houston Apr 7 ➡ ER 1 Apr 20 ➡ ER 0 Jul 13 ➡ ER 1 Sep 3 ➡ ER 1 Sep 10 ➡ ER 1 UNBELIEVABLE!! Shohei Ohtani is the MVP just on his Houston performances!!! 😳😮😲😱
HOUSTON is #01 in AL Team New York is 2nd..but every match up Houston vs. Angels and pitcher is SHOHEi he giving them only 1-Run because of the error of His team mates if ever the deffense is good maybe aLways 0- Run. ^_^
How can we explain to our grandsons about this situation? “it used to be a player called Ohtani. He was like babe Ruth but he couldn’t get mvp.” Come on! Ohtani is a player once in a life time
So the difference is roughly 20+HRs, 30+ RBI. Let’s say there is a hitter having roughly 20+ HRs and 30+ RBI. Is that hitter more valuable than a pitcher with 12 wins, 2.55 ERA and 190 SO with 12 SO per game average?
Obviously Judge is having a great year but no one in going to be talking about in 20 years. If Ohtani does this every year for his career, he will be the best baseball player ever. Don't even know if we'll see someone like him come around for another 100 years.
I don't believe that the other guys beside Pedro was this stupid, they are just ignoring the difficulty of Shohei's workload because they want to make Judge look like an MVP with an elite defense, when literally judge had a very average defense in the outfield and the only thing that's making a noise for him is his HRs. You're telling me that they can't comprehend why pitchers rest for the rest of the week? Because throwing 100 pitches averaging 90mph in one game takes a toll on their body, BUT wait! Ohtani literally does not rest, he is DH for the rest of the week and even while his pitching hence the "Ohtani Rule", do they think that's easier than Judge, standing in the outfield, waiting for some pop up? What is the use of an outfielder if the pitcher already did his job and struck out the batter? Also, when Ohtani is a DH, he's not just being a DH to give be a spectacle, he is hitting bombs at bigger stadiums, bigger than Yanks, he steals bags because he's fast and hustles at first base, he triples and bunts, Do they think that's easy for a someone who already has his arm about to fall off because he pitched the night before and a normal person would have been busy rehabilitating? That is Shohei's value, he works harder than anyone else. If this isn't racism then they are obviously biased. Pedro had to stand up to show them that pitching is the most tiring shit in the field, you control the game, you constantly calculate every move. 'm pretty sure Shohei will still win, maybe not unanimous because of the East coast bias, but he'll definitely win it back to back, these clowns are just giving Yankees fans hope.
Let's just be honest here. This FA will have 2 of NYs best players hitting the market. Jacob degrom & judge. If both NY teams can only sign one who do you think they will sign? The answer is degrom cuz moneyball tells u can find another hitter similar to judge at cheaper cost. Ohtani is degrom as a pitcher and judge as a hitter all in one. This is why mlb is struggling so hard to be like nba in the media. Idk why we have former mlb athletes try to be funny cuz they not. Their personalities are really bland similar to nfl players when they're on the booth.
People have taken Ohtani for granted. Also, many haters can't accept that the most-talented baseball player of America's past-time is not an American. I recall watching a couple of other so-called sports analysts claim that they would still give Judge the MVP if he hit 60 homers and didn't break Maris's record. That was such BS.
If MVP means the most valuable baseball player, there is an easy way to find out. If there was an auction of Judge's and Shohei's uniforms from this year's All-Star Game, which would fetch the highest price? Most people would buy the one with the most valuable player, right? That is Shohei.
Too many news about Ohtani, people start to get use to it, and forget how hard it is day by day until no one will does it to the next century. As a phonomenal CY pitcher of Pedro, if you asked him also to bat, he might say: Are you kidding me!? Thats why he knows the difficuty about it.
What is insane is that Shohei showed last year that he was an elite power hitter who could pitch at a high level but this year he is showing that he is a Cy Young-caliber pitcher who can hit at a high level. What next? Showing that he is a Cy Young-caliber pitcher and an elite power hitter in the same season?
The fact that most of the people who properly evaluate Ohtani are people who have experience as a pitcher. I bet you can see the part that only fielders don't know. I mean, of course, people who have experience as a pitcher, but in addition, in the JPvid comment section I'm surprised by the accurate comments that catch things objectively.
Notice when Yankees starting pitching went down and Stanton couldn’t stay in the lineup the Yankees suddenly became the Tankees…all the while Judge has remained hot. Kind of defeats the entire argument Granderson and Rollins are trying to make. One player without protection can’t make a winning team. See how Ohtani has absolutely toyed with the Astros every time he’s on the mound while every other game the Angels get smoked.
I don't want Otani Shohei's presence or performance to be taken for granted.I envy that I can see things that I couldn't see in Japan live on MLB now.Although the team's overall performance is poor, Otani still keeps throwing and hitting results.I'm Japanese, but I'm not paying attention to Otani because he's Japanese.I believe in MLB.
If we switch Ohtani and Judge would there be a difference? I would say, Judge would be just another Trout with a lot of HR but the team would still lose with an even worst record where as with Ohtani on the Yankees, they wouldnt be going through an 10-18 record in August when a couple of guys were out due to injuries. The Yankees record would be a lot better with Ohtani on the team because he makes such a difference in terms of wins.
If Ohtani were in the Yankees, the team would be at the top like they are now. On the other hand, if Judge were in Angels, the team would be at the bottom like they are every time.
In my mind, Ohtani is MVP for sure. That being said, I am starting to feel that “Give the f-ing thing to Judge🙄” this year watching east coast biased critiques and almost “hate” messages one after another against Ohtani (not particularly on this one but I have watched enough on the other clips). If Ohtani doesn’t get MVP, he will take it like a man, congratulate Judge with respect and move on like a true champ. That might prevent from creating more haters or jealousy towards the man who has EVERYTHING with him. Heck! His ex coach from Fighters said, “ There never will be a better baseball player than Ohtani. I’m not just talking about his talent, but him as a human being. There’s no one who is as respectful, sincere and humble as him. He is perfect as a man. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the guy!” By giving the F-ing thing to Judge, we can keep Ohtani from any negativities and that might be a better outcome.😌💕🙏😂
Playing 9 innings at center field is *NOT* the same as throwing 100 pitches as a pitcher. *Shohei Ohtani is a pitcher.* Is A.Judge MVP for having 21 more homeruns than pitcher HRs?
6:53 This guy makes a poor argument. Pitching is more exhausting than playing outfield. That’s why an outfielder can play two back-to-back games in the same day in a doubleheader. That’s why outfielders can play 7 games in the outfield in 1 week. But a starting pitcher cannot pitch two games in one day. A starting pitcher cannot pitch 7 days in 1 week. Pitching is more demanding and more exhausting. Ohtani is doing something more demanding and more exhausting than what Judge is. Both Ohtani and Judge are hitting. Ohtani is playing a more demanding position than Judge is. Ohtani affects the game with both his pitching and his hitting. Judge affects the game with his hitting only. Ohtani is the MVP.
He needs to think about why pitchers normally need days to recover and get ready for the next game. Ohtani doesn’t have the luxury to take any day off.🙄
forget the teams because that's entirely dependent on others. one guy can only give a team 10 more wins regardless. drop ohtani and judge on any team and who makes a bigger impact. it's obviously ohtani. he's 2 players in one. a 15 game winner with 200 Ks and a 2.50 era and the most ks through 9 innings on averagr alone is nearly on par with aaron judge.. then when you throw 40 homeruns and 100 rbis ontop of an ace pitcher you get a freak of nature. hitting a few more homeruns isn't trumping that
I think we have become so accustomed to seeing the two-way player that our senses have become paralyzed. If anyone who didn't see what Ohtani did last year, witnessed the first 2-way player since Babe Ruth this year to achieve 10 HRs & 10 Ws, and 30 HRs & 10 Ws, which even Ruth has never achieved, he/she would say to Judge the same thing that Guerrero was told last year. "Your results were amazing, but this year you were up against the wrong guy." This year MLB told all teams, "You can use two-way players as you want, the rules are in place," but the only one who has actually been competitive is Ohtani. Playing as a two-way player on the MLB stage is unusual and phenomenal in its own right.
I'm glad Pedro is pointing this out and practically NOBODY else has pointed this out....OVERALL THE YANKEES HAVE A MUCH BETTER TEAM!!!! All of the people saying "Well, Judge is keeping his team at the top of the division!!" Those people don't even give credit to any other Yankees players for getting them to the top of the AL East in the first place. People are way too enamored with how many home runs Judge has hit and think that Judge is the only reason why the Yankees are at the top of the division. It's stupid.
@noobTL fromJPもっちり You don't say what "local media people" you mean. Are you talking about LA, NY or some other locals? I can't think of any places where the media people don't respect Ohtani. But I know there are places where there's not full appreciation, including in LA where the major daily paper cares 95% for the Dodgers, 4% for Ohtani and Trout, 1% for the Angels team.
Most of Shehei's fly balls would have been HRs in that Yankee's stadium. He also had a lot of doubles and triples which would have been sure H.Rs in that stadium. Judge is not the MVP, he just have inflated numbers.
Judge is trying to making new “record”. Ohtani is making new “history”. The record is easy to be compared with the previous record and understood. The new history is difficult to understand.
I'm Japanese and a fun of Shohei, but in this year Judge deserves MVP. Because, if he can't get MVP in this year, it proves that anyone else but Shohei never get this aword during Shohei playing in MLB.
Will we see performance of this year's Aaron Judge? Very likely, even next year. But how about performace Ohtani Shohei shows us? How long would it take for us to see it? Maybe in 30 years? 50 years? That is what true value lies.
